They had nogotiated the contract that had the acquisition/merger language long before the industry had truly skyrocketed. I believe that was around the time of our 2012 contract, you know the one the union described as a “Home Run” and Ed described as cost neutral.

The Alaska pilot group didn’t want things to drag out in a similar fashion as the Repulic(regional) negotiations, which took 8+ years. The didn’t want a replete of US Air/ America West.

I do understand their thought process.

Crow tastes terrible

In the words of Han Solo, "I have a bad feeling about this."

Once again, we probably got played like a fiddle by management. This is probably the weakest pilot group among the majors.

Someone posted above "Hope you get what you deserve". Well, we will definitely get what we deserve.

Until we fight for and demand a good contract, Angle Lake will just keep crapping on us. Hey, it's business.

This is completely unacceptable !

For those of us on the outside - has there been any communication to you guys today?

Not yet. Union said they didn't have the award a couple hours ago.

Should be out to everyone late tonight... union is trying to figure out what happened. Let the blame game begin

That doesn't sound too promising...:(

No it doesn’t...


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Hope you guys/gals get something good!!

I am staying productive while awaiting the award... Updating my apps! :D

Source? Pretty strong theory to post without more info

What does that even mean? Did they receive the results from the Arbitration panel? How would u know?

He’s an LEC guy. I fully expected to get fked over. It’s SOP here at Alaskan.

THIS X 10!!!!

Working for the air group really prepares you well for life. You learn not to expect much.

LEC?? Is that a union position??

Yes. A local.

Is that a real question?

I was thinking something like that but the synapses in my brain weren't firing...:D

I guess I don't understand this... If they have the award from the arbitrator why not just send it out? At this point it can't be changed and I'm pretty sure most of us have college degrees and can read for ourselves just as well as we can with ALPA's help...

Wow, sorry...

BOHICA then it’s FUBAR :eek:

What does this mean, figure out what happened? Is your comment towards the decision its self or in regard to it being issued so late?

The JNC needs to be a little better with their communication.

Unless you have a background in CBA Law, you might not understand what is written. It is up to the ALPA lawyers to interpret and let the rank and pilots understand what is meant by the wording. Also to explain what is stated, but more importantly what is not.

Honestly, they can do the "interpretation" later... we all can read numbers and that's what we want to know!

Arbitration
 

Check your emails it’s over


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Hopefully a mass exodus ensues. F this place

It's bad guys... this is horrible
All the union proposals have been denied. A few extra bucks over the company proposal but that's it. NO SCOPE. IM OUT!!!

**** this place.

As an outsider looking in (at an airline duking it out with management) I would appreciate any details y’all could share...

Never again can we agree to arbitration! Alaska pilot as a group need to grow some balls for 2020! No scope. God help us.

Cliffs for the uninitiated?


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Any idea what the arbitrators based the scope decision on? Comparison to LCC's like NK, F9? I don't know which of them even have scope yet...

I was really hoping for scope but I was expecting them to not touch scope with a 10 foot pole.

Cliff notes:

No scope
No Retro
No international/ETOPS override increase

Pretty fair and good pay scale
15.5% retirement
Highest first year pay in the industry.

I am super bummed about no retro pay and no scope, but I wasn't banking on either one.

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I'm an ordinary guy
Burning down the house
Hold tight wait till the party's over
Hold tight We're in for nasty weather
There has got to be a way
Burning down the house
Here's your ticket pack your bag
Time for jumpin' overboard
The transportation is here
Close enough but not too far,
Maybe you know where you are
Fightin' fire with fire

Cliff notes:

ALPA proposal for scope and job protection is denied.

Top scale hourly rates will be $251

New pay rates for years 1-5. They are pretty much what the company wanted, plus a few dollars. Other years were denied and directed back to the parties for future negotiation.

ALPA proposal for increase to international/etops is denied

ALPA proposal for increase in the DC contribution rate is denied.

Non-DB plan pilots increase to 15% this year, and to 15.5% next year

ALPA proposal to amend contributions in excess of qualified plan limits is denied.

“Fair pay scale” but does it matter when Skywest is flying around in more E-175s than Alaska has 73s?

Here is the pay scale.

We can argue that all day long. Of course scope is more important, but for anyone to think we were going to get a comprehensive scope agreement in arbitration is smoking crack, even the ALPA scope proposal would have imposed no limitation on the amount of flying Skywest could do.

I am not super mad at the payscale, but overall this is a win for management that is for sure.