Arbitration
 

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“Scopes not worth the paper it’s written on”. Idiots.

Career Legacy is poetic license at its finest....By definition we are a jet regional. Merging with Virgin makes us a jet national. Alaska was hardly a scheduled airline until Jet America forced their hand. To be a Legacy airline you have to have a legacy contract....which we dont have and have not had for at least 13 years....What we do have and have always had is Legacy Ego!!!!And it has assured us that we will slways trail by 20% plus the major airlines in the US....

Poetic license, that’s a good one. Goes to show that one doesn’t need a 4 year college degree to write or for that matter, safely operate an airliner for a living.;) By definition, Alaskan Airways is a legacy but I like your label better. Alaskan will continue to fly the “thicker” routes for Skywest and assist with their growth plan. Go team!

Jesus! Alaska yes men are proving to be a special kind of stupid...

Idiot. It's not Alaskan Airlines--it's Alaska Airlines. Get the fundamentals right before you open your troll mouth.

If winning the lottery means a $2000 a month drop in income for the year, then yes, I won the lottery.

Lagging trend
 

I found the slide of previous CBAs/contracts showing Alaska vs industry leading pay not excitable. Alaska has been 7.5% to 19.1% BELOW the industry leader with a rough calculated average of around -12%...granted that’s just rates.

Let’s calm the Ak/vx is better crap, honestly this place is more 7th best vs peers. Fighting about 7th place is as cool as crew access. Trade denied!

Gear boy has it right.

lottery? what contest in hell did we win? I can think of nothing positive that has occurred since we were acquired and have watched the morale of a happy group crumble into the pile of rubble that your flight attendants look like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWYn42JQBI

I am not that in the know about jetblue, but I’m fairly sure they are financially pretty sound. Alaska paid a bunch too much for virgin’s debt

The 5th best lottery lol

All you guys need to shut the H-E-double hockey sticks up! Remember who the the enemy is here! Like it or not, we are in this together AGAINST the management "team" that thinks you are worth nothing more than fifth best. So how about we start pulling in the same direction and leave the fracturing bull **** to the "team" at Angle Lake.

I suppose management missed the memo that they could put as many seats will fit on an E175 as they want even with ALPA's seat limitation... if they're flown at mainline?

Anyhow, over here at Blue we are eagerly waiting for your contract details to be released and hoping for great advances in it. Best of luck.

Exactly, then combine that with the junk QOL from their crap schedule and we totally won the lottery.

Okay, I'll bite. How'd you lose 2k per month if your pay rate and work rules didn't change yet?

This is aggravating and exactly why we need a scope clause. And as mentioned above, bring these planes on property and configure the seats however you like... oh wait, that's right, we're too expensive and over-paid to operate this airplane. It would cut into profits.

As a side question.. I don't recall seeing, but did we have a proposed clause in there that opens up pay anytime we get a new aircraft type on property?

If you ask I am sure AAG will let you keep your VX pay rates. Will that make you happy?

There are lot's of greener pastures that the "able" can move onto. Many of y'all are not the "able" so keep your pie hole shut and enjoy your fortune. Yeah I know, truth hurts.

Yea because your current pay rates are amazing 😏

Like I said, keep yours if you think that.

See, this is why most airlines require a 4 year degree.

I don’t want mine or yours, I want market rate for flying what we fly. That’s what we should all want.

Having a backbone should be a requirement. But hey living in the PNW makes up for that, right?

You might want to check to debt/equity ratio of JBLU and ALK. . . you might question your statement on 'debt.'

I'd have to look that up but my point was the state of the two airlines before the acquisition. Of course the debt/equity ratio is going to be high for AAG since it paid $4 billion for an unprofitable airline, 6 Airbuses and a few gates. It wasn't an acquisition for growth but rather a forced hand to keep competition out. Hindsight is always 20/20 but it would have been better had a private holding group acquired VX and piecemeal it out. Fortune....lottery....yeah, you know what I mean.

I wonder what it was that happened last year that caused Alaska's debt/equity ratio to jump from 0.238 to over 1.00...

My point being, JBLU is not as debt-ridden as they once were. . .it wasn't a slap at ALK. . .

I want to clear up a few things.
My original post was aimed at the few VX dudes on this forum who were denigrating Alaskan Airways without facts. I'm far from a company guy and Angle Lake is full of conniving rat bastards but some of y'all are speaking out of your sphincter. I'm all for pointing out the faults of this dysfunctional company with facts and not just based on emotions.
I personally don't hold anything against VX pilots. After all, we are all just trying to earn a living flying airplanes and we are all in this together whether we like it or not. None of us asked for this mess and I get it.
I may have come across a wee bit blunt but I don't beat around the bush (don't get any perverted ideas btw;)) and can't stand retards with mouths who can't back up their statements.
I look forward to the day when we can all sit around, lay our differences aside, and have a cold one on a layover. Oh, make sure that the captains buy!

The irony... :D

It’s entertaining, isn’t it?!:) It’s all fun & games until the SLI hits the fan.

I was hoping that things have changed for the better since my departure but nothing seems to have changed except for the increased tension. No one to blame but the management for sure. One thing that I took away from my short time there is that Alaska management promotes a toxic culture, especially Beanito M. He encompasses zero leadership and I would, without hesitation, label him as the Antichrist of all management. In this day and age where even the most anti-labor management is putting up a concerted effort to bring labor together and to attract pilots, BM & BT are pushing away the very work groups who are their true and loyal work horses. Sadly, it's a recipe for failure. For the sake of my friends and an airline I truly wanted and tried to be a part of, I sincerely hope that the board of directors and management can get their act together.
On a different note, the grass is much greener on this side. It's so green, it smells like money!

THIS!!

I totally agree with your comment about the toxic culture.

Morale here hasn't been this bad for a long time. Dragging out the TPA and JCBA may have saved them money in the short-term, but it has done a lot of damage elsewhere. Putting out those videos was also a mistake. Sure, it may get a random CSA or office worker to hate the "greedy" pilos, but it clearly displayed the lack of leadership on the parts of BT & BM. They are nothing more than mere managers and penny pinchers.

Morale is going to be further destroyed with the SLI. Another issue that's going to get dragged out and go through arbitration. Most of us who are not super senior are going to be affected by it.

I can't hear the word "Bastard" without thinking "bastages".... and for that, I love the CSA who said it.

Sounds like morale is at an all time low on both sides. BT even mentioned “tensions” in his recent email. He only has himself to blame.

ALK stock tanked more than 10% yesterday. Uncanny timing with the arbitration in 3 days. Numbers manipulation maybe....

I can’t take you seriously until you actually get the name of the company you work for right.

Previously he has remarked on how things have been since he left. It doesn’t sound like he works at Alaska anymore.

Obviously, you don't work for Alaskan Airways. If you did, you'd know that it's a running joke around here. It's okay you'll learn, Deadwood.:D

That was my first thought. Awfully convenient that the 3rd quarter earnings were announced right before arbitration...

Now down to $67/share.. I'm no stock guru but the quarterly earnings didn't seem that bad from what I read. Very convenient timing with arbitration so close.

Well it’s going to be an interesting weekend.
Talked with a “friend” who is one of our testifying executives.... He said they got their proposal. He is confident and we just need to get over it. That is the reality’s of the AS business model and it will not change... not for any work group.

Talked to a union friend who said with out a doubt we hit a home run. He is pretty sure we will see the Alpa proposal in its entirety...

They both can’t be right. Someone is going to be really disappointed Sunday.
I will say the companies confidence scares me a little. Get ready for an exodus if they are right.

That's a lot of hubris from your ALPA friend. With that said, neither side should be overly confident.

It's definitely going to be an interesting weekend. I hope the company is willing to absorb whatever is coming their way if they get what they were asking for, especially leading into the holidays.

As far as exodus, maybe we'll lose a couple of dozen pilots. But, I don't think exodus has to necessarily be in the way of pilots leaving. Many of us who are still here are already checked out. We won't do more than is required of us. Show up to work, do your job, and go home. Don't do anything extra and don't volunteer for any company-sponsored activities, etc. Do your job and allow others to do theirs.

It didn't have to be this way, but once again management has shown its contempt for the pilot group. This company hates its pilots. They don't look at us as an asset. They look at this pilot group as an adversary.

They can stop paying us lip service too. I don't want to hear it. Don't tell us we do a great job and that we're the best. Don't want to hear it any more. It's just empty words, because the proof is in the pudding.