Alaska & Jetblue
05-02-2018 | 06:04 AM
#91
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Yeah, that’s what happens when you’re typing too fast and get autocorrected.
Anyway, Jet Blue was too strapped to get VX away from AS. AS couldn’t let that have happened and that’s why they paid what they did. The competition on the west coast is heating up big time. AS is in a turf war with 2 of the biggest competitors. Wait until WN starts Hawaii service. Gonna be lots of butter with no bread to put it on.
Anyway, Jet Blue was too strapped to get VX away from AS. AS couldn’t let that have happened and that’s why they paid what they did. The competition on the west coast is heating up big time. AS is in a turf war with 2 of the biggest competitors. Wait until WN starts Hawaii service. Gonna be lots of butter with no bread to put it on.
The music stopped and Jet Blue sat down first.
05-02-2018 | 06:11 AM
#92
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Yeah, that’s what happens when you’re typing too fast and get autocorrected.
Anyway, Jet Blue was too strapped to get VX away from AS. AS couldn’t let that have happened and that’s why they paid what they did. The competition on the west coast is heating up big time. AS is in a turf war with 2 of the biggest competitors. Wait until WN starts Hawaii service. Gonna be lots of butter with no bread to put it on.
Anyway, Jet Blue was too strapped to get VX away from AS. AS couldn’t let that have happened and that’s why they paid what they did. The competition on the west coast is heating up big time. AS is in a turf war with 2 of the biggest competitors. Wait until WN starts Hawaii service. Gonna be lots of butter with no bread to put it on.
Good luck to all of you at Alaska- hope it works out.
05-02-2018 | 06:59 AM
#93
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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard
05-02-2018 | 07:17 AM
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My opinion is there will be no uniting these two pilot groups. You will have “Alaska Built” and “Alaska Bought” for many years to come. There will be no unity, the VX side fails to acknowledge their windfall. They were never more then corporate pilots unsure if their next check would even come. Thanks to BM on the advice of JK, the VX group honestly believes they were needed, they saved AS from certain peril. They wine and complain about everything. They are like a giant cancer devouring ones body. In their own narcissistic world it is only about them, for they truly are the best, most beautiful, and brightest pilots in the world. There will be no contract in 2020 nor 2021 nor 2022 nor 2023 and finally there will be another merger in 2024. In the end their selfishness will cost us all.
05-02-2018 | 07:50 AM
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Legacy in name only.....Think about that... smh
05-02-2018 | 08:34 AM
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My opinion is there will be no uniting these two pilot groups. You will have “Alaska Built” and “Alaska Bought” for many years to come. There will be no unity, the VX side fails to acknowledge their windfall. They were never more then corporate pilots unsure if their next check would even come. Thanks to BM on the advice of JK, the VX group honestly believes they were needed, they saved AS from certain peril. They wine and complain about everything. They are like a giant cancer devouring ones body. In their own narcissistic world it is only about them, for they truly are the best, most beautiful, and brightest pilots in the world. There will be no contract in 2020 nor 2021 nor 2022 nor 2023 and finally there will be another merger in 2024. In the end their selfishness will cost us all.
Is this guy a troll? Dude before you go insulting everyone get auto-correct, grammarly, or better yet learn how to write. When you have so many writing mistakes you are completely discounted.
P.S. Nobody at VX thinks they are saving AS, we just along for the ****ty ride.
05-02-2018 | 08:57 AM
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I know it deeply offends some AS guys to read this, but while I do like some things that we got as a result of the acquisition, for pilots with the same longevity, VX's combined hourly rate, scheduling and QOL provisions WITHOUT A CONTRACT was actually better than AS's WITH A CONTRACT!
Legacy in name only.....Think about that... smh
Legacy in name only.....Think about that... smh
05-02-2018 | 09:14 AM
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From: GearBbychoice
Were those scheduling and QOL provisions already in place when VX started up? Who fought for them? Maybe it was to counter balance the lower pay rate. Who knows, it’s a moot point now. I’ve talked with a few VX guys at the SFO hotel and many talk of the extra pay for picking up extra trips. I hope we don’t have a bunch of VSA/premium kings to enable the Angle Lake crowd. As stated before this “You Suck....No You Suck” sh$t is getting old. This list intergration is going to burn like the clap for a while. But we have to live with it and move on with “Maybe being a united group.” Just be glad someone bought you, to bad it was us. The more sh#t we sling at each other just adds to the shi#$& ride. By the way welcome aboard!LOL
05-02-2018 | 09:32 AM
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The weak and lacking are always the defensive ones just as the ignorant are the loudest ones in the room—inferiority complex undesirables. No Alaska pilots blame y’all VX bubbas for this mess created by puzzle palace but y’all are the loudest on this web board. Yes, we’re all just pawns of the corporate world however, it’s hilarious that y’all fabricate juvenile reasoning in your minds and fool yourselves that this acquisition didn’t result in a huge windfall when indeed y’all hit a jackpot. Let’s not forget that your masters decided to ditch a hip but failing business. Given the circumstances, y’all scored the best outcome possible and some you still refuse to accept this fact even after it hit you in the face. Regardless of how the SLI turns out, VX pilots have everything to gain.
05-02-2018 | 10:12 AM
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Most of these provisions were in place from day one and there were tweaks and additions as we the pilots agitated for improvements.
Management did string us along, and they played us beautifully. That is why we had our first union drive (VAPA) only 2 or 3 years after we started up, as I recall.
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