Alaska & Jetblue
05-18-2018 | 09:47 PM
#192
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'09? '13? '17?
Be honest, '13 was all about hitting the 200 number at the expense of pretty much everything else. And who voted the pension plan away? Wasn't that a self-inflicted voting in?
05-19-2018 | 04:21 PM
#193
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Just look at the bullet points. 80%-95% industry lagging (but just a little so its OK). But I am sure the "details" will make up for lowering the bar on pay.
05-19-2018 | 04:25 PM
#194
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Why? When the majority drive to work, this goes to the bottom of the priority list.
That was 2005.
'09? '13? '17?
Be honest, '13 was all about hitting the 200 number at the expense of pretty much everything else. And who voted the pension plan away? Wasn't that a self-inflicted voting in?
That was 2005.
'09? '13? '17?
Be honest, '13 was all about hitting the 200 number at the expense of pretty much everything else. And who voted the pension plan away? Wasn't that a self-inflicted voting in?
05-19-2018 | 04:37 PM
#195
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You missed the main point. AS voted the pension plan away for the NEW GUYS. If you look at Alaska’s contract from a senior pilots point of view it is rock solid. 41 days of vacation. Who cares about scope anyway. Industry leading retirement. Step trading actually works. It’s a whole nother contract.
05-20-2018 | 09:34 AM
#196
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Everyone on the property at the time was given a choice...A plan, freeze plus increase in 401k contributions or straight 401k with even larger contributions.
Those were the choices. Straight 401k for new hires after a determined date. Yet you seem to think the people on the property made a NEGOTIATED for a clause to screw potential employees.
Back in the days of the B-scale, I'd agree with you. On this topic you're WAY off base.
05-20-2018 | 11:07 AM
#197
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Why the hell would you even WANT a DB plan? Any CEO can shed that at his leisure with a quick trip through the BK drive-thru. Unless you think the PBGC is going to pay out more than a 401K...
05-20-2018 | 11:29 AM
#198
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The rules have changed as American found out when they tried to shed the pension to the PBGC.
http://time.com/5167301/airlines-pilots-pensions/
http://time.com/5167301/airlines-pilots-pensions/
05-21-2018 | 06:27 AM
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I don't care who sends the check every month as long as its the same every month.
Now the guys who got raped were the DAL/UAL heavy guys who had an A plan that paid $8/$9K a month and got rolled into the PBGC at $4K a month.
If I'm a young guy given a choice, I'd forgo the A plan and opt for a 13-15% 401k match every time.
05-21-2018 | 06:29 AM
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The rules have changed as American found out when they tried to shed the pension to the PBGC.
Profiting Airlines at Odds with Pilots Over Pensions | Time
Profiting Airlines at Odds with Pilots Over Pensions | Time
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