From what I hear, SWA lines average 95tfp and 17.5 days off.

Many AS lines have 10-14 days off. So by working another 5 days at SWA, that’s another 32.5tfp or 112.5tfp for the same amount of days worked. And that’s not even counting their premium or their “productive” days... that’s a min day for their 6.5 guarantee. Day Guarantee— a must have for 2020. Most guys there average 110 and those who work their system— smarter and not necessarily harder— can see 150tfp easily. Almost a double month.

Work rules are everything. I almost never see more than an hour or two of soft time at AS.

Quit pretending you don’t work here... shouldn’t you be studying for upgrade?

We negotiate a contract and then I believe if your smart you use every bit of the contract to get the most out of it. You find the avenues that give you the best quality of life the most money. We cheer every pilot at every other airline that does this... then we generalize and say they all make that #. But here we act appalled if any one works anything more then 75, instructs, chooses FCF flying. We had a contract in 2017. How long was SWA in contract negotiations? Were all the pilots flying only flying 90 trips a month during that period. We were going to arbitration, everyone knew that. We were going to get SWA rates, 15% 401k, and no scope. I told you all 18 mos ago this. I affected no one, I flew the contract. There are a tone of guys that made 300+ last year.
I told you spirit pay rates $235, 8 months before they got it yeah I got hate mail... no way in Hexx you said... I am sorry 237
JetBlue well still waiting
Told you in September 2017 hiring would be haved
Gave you the actual SLI
I can give you are next contract too...if the land scape holds and the environment doesn’t change
4,3,3,4
6.15 a day guarantee
Holiday pay
Scope

When does the next window open? Also can I choose Virgin class if I get hired there?
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Back on topic; as of now there are no interviews until this fall/winter so I would expect at the earliest the window would open up sometime late summer.

Also as of right now there is no projected hiring on the VX side for 2018 so it will be all AS classes.

My earlier post was to show AS pilots are doing ok and point out the hypocrisy of the pilots angrily posting here. To be honest I was shocked by people being upset about my measly 329k... I was no where near the high water mark at AS. I did not work that hard and had a great quality of life.

I do think it is important to talk a little about economics because most everyone here seems a miss at how it works. You need a healthy economy, healthy company, in damand field to get a great income.
Can you imagine what a UA whale CA would have said in 2000 if you told him in a few short years he would be making 40$ an hour less then a SWA CA with no pension. He would have laughed you out of his soon to be foreclosed on House. He would have told you the mighty UA pilot group would shutdown the industry if that happened. In 2004 we had a real good economy but UA was a terribly run business and it’s pilots were making crap. In 2004 SWA was a well run business in a good economy and they were killing it. Our wages have nothing to do with what each individual flies each month or how many times you march around the flag pole at SeaTac with a sign (I was there I did that). You need a healthy economy, healthy company, and demand. We have had a healthy economy, consolidation finally gave us healthy companies, and after ALPA’s attempt to stall demand it is finally here. Yes, we need a union but it is not bringing you your big raise, it is the other three. You get very little in life with vinegar and even less trying to destroy the profitable company you work for. In 2020 you will get the industry, scope, and a descent day guarantee. However, you will only get this if your company is successful.

And yes SWA was working under an expired contract for years, they were most certainly in negotiations and almost every pilot over there was working 105-180 trips a month. You really want to work there? Sounds like a company full of scabs to me :). Most of my closest friends are at SWA and they are really awesome guys!

Oh and I have yet to vote yes on a contract!

As in Mininucci? And you're going to lose $ in Q1? Wow.

Well...One thing is for sure, we have earned and deserve the pay, work rules and treatment we recieve every day from Alaska Airlines. And in 2020, the story will be the same.

Curious where you read/heard that? Not doubting you at all, I just never saw any breakdown of hiring by fleet

Base Chief Pilot. Could always change as the year progresses.

At least they got back paid for it!!