How Do I Get To Alaska?
05-27-2018 | 11:13 PM
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I would agree with that.
We have a management that preaches culture, happiness, empowering employees and “doing the right thing” but in reality it’s a clueless micromanaging team that loves to pit different groups of employees against each other.
The same management can’t get a game plan together. They refuse to learn from the rest of the industry and do only what they know(which is retreat back into the cave). We went from hiring 400 pilots this year, down to 200, then abruptly stopped, and now there’s rumors of it starting up again. The merger was supposed to be about growth, but now we just stopped. Does that sound like a company that knows what it’s doing and where it’s going?
The stagnation and integrating is and will continuing to be a morale crusher with no end in sight and nothing good coming on the horizon.
The VX pilots are looked at as “undesirable” and treated as such. We should be kissing the ground the Almighty AS pilots walk on because they saved us. We are also viewed as inexperienced and barely skilled enough to keep the plane in the air.
You have the AS pilots who are arrogant but weak and out of touch with the rest of the industry and some who actually think their contract is legacy status.
So we’re about take a group of whiny, unskilled, under qualified novices and mix it in with a group of super arrogant, yet spineless company yes men who live in a bubble. That alone should create a toxic environment!!!!!
Next comes the cross fleeting that no one really wants. Both sides are ****ed because we are all losing some routes or type of flying that we’ve become accustomed to.
Only about 10 mainline deliveries over the next few years will lead to super stagnation. Upgrade will probably be in the 10-12 year area, no scope clause, base closures, lives uprooted, unproductive junk lines, less days off will all add to the list of things that make this place toxic.
Keep in mind we are the only airline doing all of this. Everyone else is moving upwards.
We have a management that preaches culture, happiness, empowering employees and “doing the right thing” but in reality it’s a clueless micromanaging team that loves to pit different groups of employees against each other.
The same management can’t get a game plan together. They refuse to learn from the rest of the industry and do only what they know(which is retreat back into the cave). We went from hiring 400 pilots this year, down to 200, then abruptly stopped, and now there’s rumors of it starting up again. The merger was supposed to be about growth, but now we just stopped. Does that sound like a company that knows what it’s doing and where it’s going?
The stagnation and integrating is and will continuing to be a morale crusher with no end in sight and nothing good coming on the horizon.
The VX pilots are looked at as “undesirable” and treated as such. We should be kissing the ground the Almighty AS pilots walk on because they saved us. We are also viewed as inexperienced and barely skilled enough to keep the plane in the air.
You have the AS pilots who are arrogant but weak and out of touch with the rest of the industry and some who actually think their contract is legacy status.
So we’re about take a group of whiny, unskilled, under qualified novices and mix it in with a group of super arrogant, yet spineless company yes men who live in a bubble. That alone should create a toxic environment!!!!!
Next comes the cross fleeting that no one really wants. Both sides are ****ed because we are all losing some routes or type of flying that we’ve become accustomed to.
Only about 10 mainline deliveries over the next few years will lead to super stagnation. Upgrade will probably be in the 10-12 year area, no scope clause, base closures, lives uprooted, unproductive junk lines, less days off will all add to the list of things that make this place toxic.
Keep in mind we are the only airline doing all of this. Everyone else is moving upwards.
This place is a joke. Anyone that can, should move on. Those of us that will be left behind due age or arrogance, had better fight for some REAL CHANGE or we are doomed!
05-28-2018 | 02:38 AM
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This place sounds like it is getting worse and worse, sorry to hear this guys. All I can say is that there is massive retirements coming up at the 3; and that for you Virgins make sure to change your apps to Alaska, not Virgin America. Update all the time.
05-29-2018 | 10:10 AM
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Boo Birds everywhere. I'm newish soooo I guess I don't count....but it's not that bad and beats a 9-5 desk job. Bottom line is it's a good job despite what people try and say....it's squabbling about how much better a good job can be....that's about it. Yes the company does pit the pilot groups against each other.....but then again ....it's the Unions job to pit us against the company (for good reason). So we get propaganda from BOTH camps constantly. Yes we need to be unified ....and not roll over and be yes men for our next contract, but we don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water either. Fear mongering and hysteria don't help.....just know that the airline industry has a 10 year cycle and be prepared in case there is a down turn (aka don't live above your means.....aka don't take out a housing loan more than a 1/3 of your paycheck and try and live off of 1/2 a paycheck). I don't care who you are that is just solid life advise whatever the economy is doing.
At the end of the day weigh your options with ALL airlines from a Quality of Life perspective and you should do fine. To get Hired you need PIC (especially as a non tactical guy).....that means upgrading to get Turbine (and I'd argue Multi) PIC time should be your #1 priority. Don't "quit' the military if you don't have to....meaning...try and keep that reserve option open...even with a FNAEB (PM me if you need advise) under your belt. Keep that clock ticking to 20 and use the Reserves to carry your pad your wages while getting low pay at a Regional. The Iron is hot at the airlines right now....but that will not last (if History has taught us anything) so keep that in mind.
At the end of the day weigh your options with ALL airlines from a Quality of Life perspective and you should do fine. To get Hired you need PIC (especially as a non tactical guy).....that means upgrading to get Turbine (and I'd argue Multi) PIC time should be your #1 priority. Don't "quit' the military if you don't have to....meaning...try and keep that reserve option open...even with a FNAEB (PM me if you need advise) under your belt. Keep that clock ticking to 20 and use the Reserves to carry your pad your wages while getting low pay at a Regional. The Iron is hot at the airlines right now....but that will not last (if History has taught us anything) so keep that in mind.
05-29-2018 | 03:40 PM
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05-29-2018 | 07:11 PM
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........again....squabbling over how much better a GOOD job can be....is our modus operandi at (or near) the top of the pile. Yes fight for a better contract......but you have to get through the door first. All I said was this is a good job.....I guess that is forbidden now? New contract negotiations start when again? When do I start not saying any good stuff about OUR airline? Still need good people here the last time I checked. NO SCOPE NO VOTE!!! (happy?)
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ts-i-quit.html
05-29-2018 | 07:58 PM
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We are nowhere near the top of the pile. Most regionals these days have better work rules than AS.
They are going on every single day, even if not in an official capacity. What do you think drives management's willingness to negotiate in 2020? If everything runs perfectly smoothly and all the open time gets picked up for piddling premium pay and pilots continue ensuring the operation runs without a hitch by taking responsibility for things that are not their responsibility and doing other people's jobs for them, etc etc etc, what is there to negotiate?
I heard a LOT of people saying, "No more favors, no extensions, etc!" after the JCBA came out. That's great, but the time for that attitude was BEFORE this all went to arbitration, 2 years ago when negotiating was still taking place. And don't forget that negotiations from the JCBA aren't even over!! I haven't seen the FO slope fixed, have you? I don't see a scheduling MOU either, do you? How many grievances are still open?
The grass IS greener elsewhere, which is why a lot of people are trying to leave, myself included. If you were in a prospective AS pilot's shoes today wouldn't you rather be told the truth than "it's pretty good here" by someone who just wants you to be junior to them?
=MiLtoMajor123;2604968]New contract negotiations start when again?
I heard a LOT of people saying, "No more favors, no extensions, etc!" after the JCBA came out. That's great, but the time for that attitude was BEFORE this all went to arbitration, 2 years ago when negotiating was still taking place. And don't forget that negotiations from the JCBA aren't even over!! I haven't seen the FO slope fixed, have you? I don't see a scheduling MOU either, do you? How many grievances are still open?
The grass IS greener elsewhere, which is why a lot of people are trying to leave, myself included. If you were in a prospective AS pilot's shoes today wouldn't you rather be told the truth than "it's pretty good here" by someone who just wants you to be junior to them?
05-29-2018 | 08:11 PM
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The email today about the Airbus displacement bid was interesting as well because it mentioned a huge block hour reduction for fall in addition to a base closure. That should concern the jr Boeing guys too because once the list gets integrated, we may be looking at furloughs
05-29-2018 | 08:38 PM
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Truth is....it's a good job. That's it. It's a good job that can be better.....2020.
The email today about the Airbus displacement bid was interesting as well because it mentioned a huge block hour reduction for fall in addition to a base closure. That should concern the jr Boeing guys too because once the list gets integrated, we may be looking at furloughs
05-29-2018 | 08:39 PM
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The email today about the Airbus displacement bid was interesting as well because it mentioned a huge block hour reduction for fall in addition to a base closure. That should concern the jr Boeing guys too because once the list gets integrated, we may be looking at furloughs
05-29-2018 | 08:53 PM
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The email today about the Airbus displacement bid was interesting as well because it mentioned a huge block hour reduction for fall in addition to a base closure. That should concern the jr Boeing guys too because once the list gets integrated, we may be looking at furloughs
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