You would lose that bet. I know dozens of kids that were devastated by the loss of Virgin America. It was the cool airline, and teenage would-be-pilots were lining up. Now they won't have that chance.

I take it you don't have an Instagram account. You AS guys are so arrogant, your entire world is only defined by your very small experience.

 

You've just rolled the last 2 years of APC forums into one tidy and accurate post. Nice work.

 

You guys really can’t handle the truth. A trait of a loser for sure. Truth hurts, I get it. Owning up to one’s flaws and working to improve oneself is a key to success. I’m just saying.

Let me correct a few things for you:
1) Replace with, "You guys (AS/VX) needed to go away” and it happened at a cost of $4 billion. Less than 10 busses, a base closure, and a bunch of whiny undesirables who hate being part of Alaska hardly qualifies as a need. VX was just an empty shell.
2) Replace with, “Let me (AS/VX) tell you why you're wrong, and it's you that got the windfall”. 40%+ pay raise, real 401k contribution (not match), improved healthcare, and most importantly a JOB/career without even lifting a finger.
3) You got that right but 1 out of 5 is still a major fail.

I have 2 job offers and I am also on the way out. Instead of living in denial and anger, you guys should do something about it. Undesirable or not...you know who you are. Good luck to all. Ciao!

 

And the cycle restarts, thanks to you and the unoriginal drivel you just reposted! If I'd wanted to waste my time reading what you just wasted your time writing I would just go read every third post on the last 80 pages of every single other thread in the Alaska forum. If anything you just wrote doesn't exist anywhere else in the last two weeks (I'll be generous, a month) worth of posts here, I will eat my own d!ck.

 

Whaat? I haven’t been on APC in a over a month. What are you smoking? Must be something good. After you eat your own d!ck, may I suggest rehab and a reputable anger management program?

 

Bye Felicia

 

AS seems kinda toxic work place. This real or just 6 internet personalities?

 

Ignorance is bliss.

1) AS and their 86 year history of hiding in the PNW had finally bit them. Even with the band aid VX purchase, they’re still trying to find a way to survive. It’s just a matter of time before AS is swallowed up. I guess it makes you sleep good at night to say that VX pilots are whiny undesirables. You might want to research the type of pilots that VX hired.

2) Did you not get a significant raise too? Do you think you would’ve got that raise in 2020 immediately? Did the VX purchase not push your pay and 401k a lot sooner? VX had 12% 401k with 4.5% unmatched. Do you put more than 7.5% away in your 401k? So, it’s irrelevant what the match and unmatched were. Healthcare? VX had a pretty good medical plan. In fact, it pretty much was the same as it is here.

Job/career?

You talk about how great this place is but you’re leaving?

It’s best you probably adventure out and move on from AS. I’ll be the first to laugh when AS merges with the carrier you go to and all those junior pilots to you will now be senior with higher pay.

 

Alaska won’t be “swallowed up”. Angle Lake has too much ego to let that happen. They may merge or even acquire another carrier but it’s fate will never be that of VX-unwanted and undesirable by the very creator thus put up for adoption.
No need to worry about my future seniority. I can assure you that I’ll never jerk gear for you. It’s too bad that the only way you’ll ever work for a real airline is through acquisitions and mergers. You got one thing right-I can’t stomach the thought of being junior to undesirables as yourself.

 

I would agree with that.

We have a management that preaches culture, happiness, empowering employees and “doing the right thing” but in reality it’s a clueless micromanaging team that loves to pit different groups of employees against each other.

The same management can’t get a game plan together. They refuse to learn from the rest of the industry and do only what they know(which is retreat back into the cave). We went from hiring 400 pilots this year, down to 200, then abruptly stopped, and now there’s rumors of it starting up again. The merger was supposed to be about growth, but now we just stopped. Does that sound like a company that knows what it’s doing and where it’s going?

The stagnation and integrating is and will continuing to be a morale crusher with no end in sight and nothing good coming on the horizon.

The VX pilots are looked at as “undesirable” and treated as such. We should be kissing the ground the Almighty AS pilots walk on because they saved us. We are also viewed as inexperienced and barely skilled enough to keep the plane in the air.

You have the AS pilots who are arrogant but weak and out of touch with the rest of the industry and some who actually think their contract is legacy status.

So we’re about take a group of whiny, unskilled, under qualified novices and mix it in with a group of super arrogant, yet spineless company yes men who live in a bubble. That alone should create a toxic environment!!!!!

Next comes the cross fleeting that no one really wants. Both sides are ****ed because we are all losing some routes or type of flying that we’ve become accustomed to.

Only about 10 mainline deliveries over the next few years will lead to super stagnation. Upgrade will probably be in the 10-12 year area, no scope clause, base closures, lives uprooted, unproductive junk lines, less days off will all add to the list of things that make this place toxic.

Keep in mind we are the only airline doing all of this. Everyone else is moving upwards.