Originally Posted by Packrat

You're right about everything except the very last line. They weren't/aren't comparable to scabs. Scab is a term for only one kind of person...someone who will willingly cross your picket line to take your job.

Save the scab term for those who earn it by their actions. There are still plenty of real scabs floating around the industry. Some employed in the most unusual places.

Originally Posted by Packrat

I don't think Work was talking about ticket prices, Jetlife. He was talking about VX undercutting Union airlines pay/benefits for 9 plus years. That put downward pressure on the wages/benefits of all the other airlines.

Remember, Alaska's lawyers tried HARD to strangle VX in the crib. They were the leaders in attempting to get your certificate revoked based on foreign ownership. That forced the big Dick to diversify his ownership through various shill "partners." Just because you made a profit the last year of independence doesn't make up for the tidal wave of red ink you had before that.

AS management turned out to be the biggest suckers in the whole deal overpaying by a factor of 3 for a bunch of leased Airbii and the threat of B6 jumping on the West Coast. B6 wouldn't even be ON the West Coast if the geniuses at Angle Lake hadn't abandoned the Jet A slots at LGB.

No matter how the SLI goes down people are going to be upset. You just have to try to get along. There are still guys on the property who are upset over the Jet A merger and that was 1987. The thing to consider is how many Jet A pilots ended up on the 2nd floor. Things that make you go "Hmmm...."

Originally Posted by Packrat

You're right about everything except the very last line. They weren't/aren't comparable to scabs. Scab is a term for only one kind of person...someone who will willingly cross your picket line to take your job.

Save the scab term for those who earn it by their actions. There are still plenty of real scabs floating around the industry. Some employed in the most unusual places.

Originally Posted by SoCalAirlifter

I am pretty confident there are some former “Freedom A listers” (scabs) on the Virgin seniority list who crossed the line for Jonathan Ornstein (Mesa CEO) to circumnavigate 70 seat scope flying CRJ 700s for Delta back in the early 2000s. I was a displaced into becoming a “Freedom B” pilot when the moved the ERJ145s on the Mesa Certificate over to the Freedom Cert in MCO in 2006.

But hey, we bought Virgin and APLA forgave those individuals when they brought ALPA in to give them acquisition protection.

Originally Posted by Work4life

Same reason why you posted a gazillion comments on the Yikes forum that is completely hypothetical.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Nothing theoretical about a case filed in a public court. Or one that made the NYT or WAPO That’s about as real as it gets.

You seen either of the two pilots involved flying the line lately? What does that tell you?

Originally Posted by 2loud

Take this discussion back to Yikes. No need to hijack another thread. BTW, Paul passed the polygraph test. What does that tell you?

Originally Posted by KnockKnock

I think the same needs to be done for the AS side with regard to what happened after the Kasher award and why the contract is in the state it is. There seems to be just as many uninformed VXers that continue to blame all AS pilots for the current contract. Remember, once something is taken from you, ie, pensions, work rules etc. it’s very hard, if not impossible, to gain them back.

Originally Posted by SoCalAirlifter

I am pretty confident there are some former “Freedom A listers” (scabs) on the Virgin seniority list who crossed the line for Jonathan Ornstein (Mesa CEO) to circumnavigate 70 seat scope flying CRJ 700s for Delta back in the early 2000s. I was a displaced into becoming a “Freedom B” pilot when the moved the ERJ145s on the Mesa Certificate over to the Freedom Cert in MCO in 2006.

But hey, we bought Virgin and APLA forgave those individuals when they brought ALPA in to give them acquisition protection.