That’s your problem, you play by their rules. ALPA can’t seem to come up with its own playbook and make mgmt play by it’s rules for once.

The self defeatist attitude of the senior pilot is the lost cause here now. I hope that the new virgin blood coming in (who dont have a love affair with angle lake while trying to get a second floor job) outnumber everyone who thinks that a strike is impossible. Anybody at the MEC who thinks that a strike will never happen should be tossed on their a$$ right now. What am I paying for? Really? If no strike will be allowed then why do I need a union in the first place? I’d rather keep my 2%

Not that they don't think this way, but that's a Frank Lorenzo quote. No Alaska CEO has ever said this to either the rank and file OR the Union.

Every management team is the same. Why is it that Alaska is so far behind United/American and Delta?

You are retired, just stop conveying the resignation and apathy. Guess what....the airlines above are just as likely to get released as well.

Delta produced a garbage contract in 2015 and we sent it back. Do you think Delta management gave us the contract we have now out of the goodness of their heart? They told us there was no more money on the table.
That was false.

The senior folks with the apathy need to display a little self respect. You guys are the reason Alaska pilots aren’t worth what Delta/American or United are. It’s not the Angle lake management team.

I remember the Delta ALPA sales job that was going on during 2015. I remember the video that was going around of the rep at a road show screaming himself hoarse about how PRB was the only possible outcome of a rejected contract. There was a lot of time value of money talk going on then as well. The Delta pilots saw through the crap and resoundingly rejected the subpar contract, and subpar union representation while they were at it. The results were more than worth the wait and effort.

I see a lot of the same tone on this thread now as well. If we can overwhelmingly reject the sales job like Delta pilots did, avoid arbitration like the plague, and all pull the same direction we will get similar results.

Exactly....what tipped the scales was the merger with Northwest and an influx of new pilots. Could the initial Tentative Agreement have passed without those two demographic changes? I don’t know for sure but I’m going to say yes.

You guys are in the exact same situation. The key is to convince the new guys that the senior guys are full of garbage, when they spout off about the management tactics. I saw this during the Delta negotiations and honestly it’s not that the senior guys are afraid of management. They just have theirs and want the money now.

All airline management is the same....good things come to those who wait.

Delta and Alaska...apples and oranges.

That can be said for virtually any two airlines.

So was Alaska and Virgin. But I agree that Delta and Alaska probably won’t be a combination in the future.

I was referring to management - Union relationships in contract negotiations.

So, in your opinion, what is so different about the Alaska Management-Union relationship compared to others like Delta?

What is the "secret sauce" that apparently allows them to best us at every turn?

I'm curious to understand this....