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KnockKnock 07-09-2018 09:17 AM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2630910)
The junior guys do fine too. When I was 80% I still did pretty good for my trips bid, and more importantly my days off bid. As for the rest, the airbus hiring stopped end of January followed quickly by Boeing. The 4% growth rate is the main reason for the slowdown. On the Airbus side, it’s also the repainting and new interiors that is going to happen on the entire fleet in 18 months. That’s a fairly aggressive schedule, and will take planes out for weeks at a time. And yeah, we’re overstaffed on the Airbus side. That’s why there are daily emails offering premium pay to cover trips. :rolleyes:

Serious question: why would anyone come here anymore? 620 retirements in 10 years out of 2,900. That’s barely 21% of the list. If you want ANC there’s Fedex/UPS. SEA is Delta, SF United, and LAX all 4 legacy carriers. PDX is the only unique AS base.
Pilots have asked the, “why come here”, question about EVERY airline in existence. You know that one day an airline is scrapping along barely able to keep the doors open and the next, they’re the IT place to be. It’s happened at UAL, DAL, SW, FDX, UPS, AA....... We all go to where it works best for us and that will never change. My personal opinion is that the current cycle we find ourselves in at AS, like all other cycles, will reverse for the better. Worst case, or best case, depending on how you look at it, AS gets absorbed into another bigger airline and life goes on.

MusicPilot 07-09-2018 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2630939)
Pilots have asked the, “why come here”, question about EVERY airline in existence. You know that one day an airline is scrapping along barely able to keep the doors open and the next, they’re the IT place to be. It’s happened at UAL, DAL, SW, FDX, UPS, AA....... We all go to where it works best for us and that will never change. My personal opinion is that the current cycle we find ourselves in at AS, like all other cycles, will reverse for the better. Worst case, or best case, depending on how you look at it, AS gets absorbed into another bigger airline and life goes on.
Seems like AS is on a 86+ year cycle then. But of course when you’re top 20% then it always seems “superior”.

rickair7777 07-09-2018 09:35 AM
Originally Posted by Slim6890 (Post 2630921)
"Serious question: why would anyone come here anymore? 620 retirements in 10 years out of 2,900. That’s barely 21% of the list. If you want ANC there’s Fedex/UPS. SEA is Delta, SF United, and LAX all 4 legacy carriers. PDX is the only unique AS base."

People will come but they won't stay.
Plenty of folks back at the (west coast) regional who would kill for a job at AS. If I spent the morning on the phone I could probably get a 100 volunteers to start in two weeks. Would they stay? Depends on growth(merger?), age, family, competitiveness, and opportunity.

KnockKnock 07-09-2018 09:50 AM
Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2630957)
Plenty of folks back at the (west coast) regional who would kill for a job at AS. If I spent the morning on the phone I could probably get a 100 volunteers to start in two weeks. Would they stay? Depends on growth(merger?), age, family, competitiveness, and opportunity.
I agree, I don’t think any airline out there will have problems filling classes as long as the regional model, as we know it today, still exists. Just the same as regionals will always fill classes as long as CFI’s, Jump pilots, banner towers, etc. are still looking for jobs. Just look at QX. The wheels were falling off last year and now they don’t seem to have problems filling classes. As I said above, pilots will go to a place that works best for them regardless of being a #1 company.

KnockKnock 07-09-2018 10:05 AM
Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 2630948)
Seems like AS is on a 86+ year cycle then. But of course when you’re top 20% then it always seems “superior”.
Well, a quick look back in time will show you that AS was briefly at the top of the cycle after the industry collapse in the early 2000’s. A lotta pilots came knocking on AS’s doors when their bigger, better, companies laid them off, cut their pensions or went out of business all together. That was about 18-13 years ago. Just slightly less than 86 years as you say. I don’t know about you but I’m about 50% away from being in that coveted 20% of the company. I do know a few guys who are in the 20% range and as far as I can tell, they don’t think of themselves or the company as “superior” but who knows. I don’t hang out with them after work.

Arctichicken 07-09-2018 10:27 AM
Post 9/11 to the time when hiring slowly picked back up again, Alaska was a coveted place to work by default. Every one of my friends who were with the big 5 then were furloughed and/or took huge concessions. I had friends knocking on my door for a job with Alaska but none of them got on but fortunately for them, life worked out eventually and made it out with only minor scratches. Remember, the pendulum never stops swinging.
We can all agree that Alaska Airlines can only shine when their competitors can't perform. Case in point-our last JDP.

Packrat 07-09-2018 01:00 PM
You all seem to think AS management would let you have ANY input on the PBS algorithm.

Good luck with that.

av8or 07-09-2018 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2631101)
You all seem to think AS management would let you have ANY input on the PBS algorithm.

Good luck with that.
I don’t mean this to sound conscending at all, so please don’t take it this way....

Is “strike vote” even in your vocabulary? Im just curious, not knowing the history,.... I’ve never seen such regularly defeatist rhetoric from group. “They’ll never do this or that.” “Good luck with that.” Etc seems to be regularly said in response to very reasonable changes. Y’all always been that way, or did that Kasher thing just totally pride cut your will?

Klsytakesit 07-09-2018 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2630957)
Plenty of folks back at the (west coast) regional who would kill for a job at AS. If I spent the morning on the phone I could probably get a 100 volunteers to start in two weeks. Would they stay? Depends on growth(merger?), age, family, competitiveness, and opportunity.
We are a west coast regional...

4andCounting 07-09-2018 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2630910)
The junior guys do fine too. When I was 80% I still did pretty good for my trips bid, and more importantly my days off bid. As for the rest, the airbus hiring stopped end of January followed quickly by Boeing. The 4% growth rate is the main reason for the slowdown. On the Airbus side, it’s also the repainting and new interiors that is going to happen on the entire fleet in 18 months. That’s a fairly aggressive schedule, and will take planes out for weeks at a time. And yeah, we’re overstaffed on the Airbus side. That’s why there are daily emails offering premium pay to cover trips. :rolleyes:

Serious question: why would anyone come here anymore? 620 retirements in 10 years out of 2,900. That’s barely 21% of the list. If you want ANC there’s Fedex/UPS. SEA is Delta, SF United, and LAX all 4 legacy carriers. PDX is the only unique AS base.
This is no longer true. I'm holding 70% captain SFO now and QOL is all but done. I can barely hold 15 days off on a non flex month. Most of the time I'm 14 or 13 days and only 50% commutable at best. The only thing I can avoid is the crap OGG Red eyes. I spend my mon5h hunting open time trying to swap to more efficient trips. I Can increase pay, but they will never give you an extra day off the whole grid is red.


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