I'm calling it. We're geting bought.
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#143
http://https://beatofhawaii.com/sout...irline-update/
For anyone curious.... what a plan looks like.
For anyone curious.... what a plan looks like.
#144
It’s a job. Call the stupid thing a jet, bus, a set of twig and berries... Truth is we are still undervalued schmucks working for a substandard company with a substandard contract with mix matched aircraft, paint, livery, interiors, uniforms, and stupid clip-on ties. Do the job, go home without bending metal or having to do a carpet dance and call it good.
Alaska from the JCBA has tried to play us all against each other and it has worked. Virgin did that very well too... smaller group, smaller issues, but same result. We never got together and worked as one until a perceived slight with the IPO. That took what 8 years?
Let’s not take that long. They are the enemy. Not each other.
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http://https://beatofhawaii.com/sout...irline-update/
For anyone curious.... what a plan looks like.
For anyone curious.... what a plan looks like.
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That is just reckless. How could they continue with their plan to grow in this climate? The smart play would have been to announce they are slowing the growth to one Hawaii flight to test the market and outsource. Reckless.
http://https://beatofhawaii.com/sout...irline-update/
For anyone curious.... what a plan looks like.
For anyone curious.... what a plan looks like.
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Av8or,
I get what you're saying, but you aren't negotiating a contract right now. So to criticize someone who is choosing to "make hay while the sun shines" is pretty juvenile on your part. Jealous much?
I'd encourage him to pick up all the open time he can...now. When Section Six opens, I'd hope he'd stop for the good of the whole. That's what working to book is all about.
You may all be too young to remember this, but once upon a time Delta had come to rely on green slip flying. So much that upwards of 15% of their flying was done that way. The pilots stopped picking up trips and the company was forced to the table. Of course, it was individual decisions (grass roots) that started it. Unlike APA, DALPA didn't encourage it in any way the company could prove.
So let OTZ fly the contract. Hopefully he'll stash enough cash he can stop when the contract cycle comes around. Then watch the Anglers twist in the wind when they can't get guys to pick up time. It's amusing to say the least.
The only caveat to that theory would be if there are pilots on furlough. In that case, picking up Open Time really is hurting someone personally.
I get what you're saying, but you aren't negotiating a contract right now. So to criticize someone who is choosing to "make hay while the sun shines" is pretty juvenile on your part. Jealous much?
I'd encourage him to pick up all the open time he can...now. When Section Six opens, I'd hope he'd stop for the good of the whole. That's what working to book is all about.
You may all be too young to remember this, but once upon a time Delta had come to rely on green slip flying. So much that upwards of 15% of their flying was done that way. The pilots stopped picking up trips and the company was forced to the table. Of course, it was individual decisions (grass roots) that started it. Unlike APA, DALPA didn't encourage it in any way the company could prove.
So let OTZ fly the contract. Hopefully he'll stash enough cash he can stop when the contract cycle comes around. Then watch the Anglers twist in the wind when they can't get guys to pick up time. It's amusing to say the least.
The only caveat to that theory would be if there are pilots on furlough. In that case, picking up Open Time really is hurting someone personally.
#148
Hey jacka$$.... I said it was a plan.... not utopia. Besides.... wouldn’t want to pass up the chance to fly with YOU!!! 😂 A chance to sit in your presence.... I mean... that’s gotta be priceless. The stock tips alone should be priceless!! Seriously... can hardly wait!!!
#149
Av8or,
I get what you're saying, but you aren't negotiating a contract right now. So to criticize someone who is choosing to "make hay while the sun shines" is pretty juvenile on your part. Jealous much?
I'd encourage him to pick up all the open time he can...now. When Section Six opens, I'd hope he'd stop for the good of the whole. That's what working to book is all about.
You may all be too young to remember this, but once upon a time Delta had come to rely on green slip flying. So much that upwards of 15% of their flying was done that way. The pilots stopped picking up trips and the company was forced to the table. Of course, it was individual decisions (grass roots) that started it. Unlike APA, DALPA didn't encourage it in any way the company could prove.
So let OTZ fly the contract. Hopefully he'll stash enough cash he can stop when the contract cycle comes around. Then watch the Anglers twist in the wind when they can't get guys to pick up time. It's amusing to say the least.
The only caveat to that theory would be if there are pilots on furlough. In that case, picking up Open Time really is hurting someone personally.
I get what you're saying, but you aren't negotiating a contract right now. So to criticize someone who is choosing to "make hay while the sun shines" is pretty juvenile on your part. Jealous much?
I'd encourage him to pick up all the open time he can...now. When Section Six opens, I'd hope he'd stop for the good of the whole. That's what working to book is all about.
You may all be too young to remember this, but once upon a time Delta had come to rely on green slip flying. So much that upwards of 15% of their flying was done that way. The pilots stopped picking up trips and the company was forced to the table. Of course, it was individual decisions (grass roots) that started it. Unlike APA, DALPA didn't encourage it in any way the company could prove.
So let OTZ fly the contract. Hopefully he'll stash enough cash he can stop when the contract cycle comes around. Then watch the Anglers twist in the wind when they can't get guys to pick up time. It's amusing to say the least.
The only caveat to that theory would be if there are pilots on furlough. In that case, picking up Open Time really is hurting someone personally.
Second.... from my understanding we are scheduled to start negotiations in April of 2019. And, I’m just stating some facts about staffing models everyone seems to acknowledge are true. What individuals do with that information is up to them. If history is any indication, what they’ll do at Alaska is... nothing different.
Third... if you didn’t read his response.... he’s made it CRYSTAL clear, he has ZERO intention of making a potential sacrifice to get a better contract. Not now. Not ever. Which, again I find remarkably refreshing! What part of “I don’t care about scope, slope or work rules”... was confusing?
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First.... lemme make this clear..... I’m not jealous of OTZ ... at ALL! I have ZERO problem with OTZ maximizing his potential.
Second.... from my understanding we are scheduled to start negotiations in April of 2019. And, I’m just stating some facts about staffing models everyone seems to acknowledge are true. What individuals do with that information is up to them. If history is any indication, what they’ll do at Alaska is... nothing different.
Third... if you didn’t read his response.... he’s made it CRYSTAL clear, he has ZERO intention of making a potential sacrifice to get a better contract. Not now. Not ever. Which, again I find remarkably refreshing! What part of “I don’t care about scope, slope or work rules”... was confusing?
Second.... from my understanding we are scheduled to start negotiations in April of 2019. And, I’m just stating some facts about staffing models everyone seems to acknowledge are true. What individuals do with that information is up to them. If history is any indication, what they’ll do at Alaska is... nothing different.
Third... if you didn’t read his response.... he’s made it CRYSTAL clear, he has ZERO intention of making a potential sacrifice to get a better contract. Not now. Not ever. Which, again I find remarkably refreshing! What part of “I don’t care about scope, slope or work rules”... was confusing?
Well that is putting words in my mouth. I said “I don’t care about commutability”, just like you don’t care about the number of turn lines. But yes, I care about scheduling... I want a 6hr per day guarantee, I want holiday pay, override for backside flying, no preferential bidding, and 200% premium pick up.
Check back and see what I pick up summer of 2020. Our contract expires March 31, 2020.
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