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Old 04-07-2019, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock View Post
What exactly is your beef with this language?
I actually took a screen shot of the wrong page but the effect is the same. My beef is the 14 hour min rest for transoceanic flights. Somehow an airline that has nothing bigger than 737s has language covering “transoceanic flying” but there is an exception for the only transoceanic flying we do.
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium View Post
From reading the rest of the text, it's a carve out for the company for duty periods and your PWA says the company can't take advantage of it for Hawaii flights. You're more likely to get laughed at for complaining about that then it being in the contract.
Your right I posted the wrong page.

Here’s the right one:
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Old 04-07-2019, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Back2future View Post
I actually took a screen shot of the wrong page but the effect is the same. My beef is the 14 hour min rest for transoceanic flights. Somehow an airline that has nothing bigger than 737s has language covering “transoceanic flying” but there is an exception for the only transoceanic flying we do.
Didn't they fly to Russia at one point? Maybe that's where it came from.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by R D K View Post
I've been on the NG and now Max for five years now in Canada and I'm in the process of converting my ATP and getting green card. Had my sights set on Alaska with a Portland base.

New contract negotiations start next year?

Anyone have an online copy of the agreement? How many hours hard time in the seat are guys seeing? Also where do the new hires get based on average?
New hires are usually based in SFO or SEA with a slightly higher weighting towards SEA since it is a larger base...so on average, new hires ARE BASED IN PDX. Hooray!

Sorry, bad joke.

Nobody really knows how these bids will turn out but there are also AS pilots, even some PDX-AS pilots that want SFO.
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Didn't they fly to Russia at one point? Maybe that's where it came from.
The Russia flying wasn't transoceanic. ANC via the Bering Strait to the Russian Far East.
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Didn't they fly to Russia at one point? Maybe that's where it came from.
They could "see" Russia while on approach to ANC. According to certain politicians.....
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Originally Posted by full of luv View Post
They could "see" Russia while on approach to ANC. According to certain politicians.....
Incidentally, that was the SNL comedian that said that one could see it from ‘her house’ in Wasilla, not a politician.

The politician said you could see Russia from parts of Alaska. It is true, there are a pair of islands a couple of miles apart in the Bering Strait. One is part of Alaska. The other is a part of Russia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands

Just trying to keep the facts straight, not to start a political debate.
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Originally Posted by Back2future View Post
Your right I posted the wrong page.
You do a lot of 10-hour Hawaii layovers?

If Hawaii is "transoceanic" requiring a minimum 14-hour rest period, then any of Alaska's east coast to Seattle flights might as well require a minimum 14-hour rest period also, because they're all around 6.5 hours.

I would guess that "transoceanic" for contract purposes more generally refers to long flights and long duty days requiring augmented crew, and Hawaii from the west coast does not require those things, so it is specifically exempted.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld View Post
Incidentally, that was the SNL comedian that said that one could see it from ‘her house’ in Wasilla, not a politician.

The politician said you could see Russia from parts of Alaska. It is true, there are a pair of islands a couple of miles apart in the Bering Strait. One is part of Alaska. The other is a part of Russia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands

Just trying to keep the facts straight, not to start a political debate.
As I was...you are correct. Towards the end, Palin and Fey were almost interchangeable in my mind.
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