Ask Southwest about their summer schedule of 2019. :rolleyes:

34 out of 754. :rolleyes: They'll be okay with 720 until the ban is lifted.

No idea, just passing on a rumor. Don’t believe it till it taxis in front of you and then only believe half of that.

Displacement bid.... last minute change to pump the A320 before dump, hoping to reduce training costs and footprint. An ingenious idea from one of our brightest.... pilots go where their seniority is best or home. This really only bought a little time, A320 FO movement to the Boeing pretty much blew up their plan.

Moving target with new order. Originally done in November, BM wanted one last crack with Airbus in December before putting ink to the Boeing deal. Don’t think he really wanted a deal with Airbus but was trying to sweeten the Boeing deal. Was supposed to be announced Spring 2018.

Something happened in that time frame and BM and BT went back to Boeing and got an even better deal and a much more expeditious delivery schedule. Once again AS brass rolled 7’s by dragging its feet.

Deal will not be announced until MAX is flying again. Order roomer sounds spot on plus options.

We have looked at the 797 program and passed.

I will stop posting since I am clearly unreliable!

Actually, I think you're VERY reliable. What you said goes hand in hand with exactly what I predicted when the VX merger was announced. You don't have to be Nostradamus, just familiar with the fellas at Angle Lake.

Whatever you say about them, they're consistent. Have been for the last 30 years (or at least since Bruce Kennedy left!).

Gee, I wonder what that was?

But it's plausible, AS gets a discount and earlier delivery slots (vacated by other airlines), and Boeing gets a big order from a reputable airline timed to help close the MCAS chapter.

The MAX order timetable has been available to the pilot group at least since last year. The first one shows this month, or at least was supposed to and it was supposed to be something I’d actually touch in September. As far as anything changing I’m not holding my breath. Nor would I hope anything would actually change for the better.

Just like getting from the employee lot to the gate. It only gets worse....

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the Port of Seattle set up an obstacle course or some kind of gauntlet for us to pass through just to get to work.


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All this is just Business 101 and the bottom line is money. Alaska management is just more ruthless and Lorenzo-like than any other major/legacy airline management in existence today. If you want to prevail in this sick and twisted game, you have to think and act like your opponent. I don't advise FOs to leave or stay but apparently, the smart and able bodied ones are bailing for greener pastures at a higher rate than expected. Regardless of what happens in 2020 and beyond or let me rephrase, well beyond, nothing will change so as long as Angle Lake's legacy management carries on. And it will.

Ok so seems like there is confusion. Alaska already has a current order with options that would replace the entire Airbus fleet. Any new order would be all growth except maybe the replacement of some older 737-9 and 700’s and maybe a few leased 800’s.

The new max order is 40 firm 900max and 60 options. With the new order 2025 looks to have 0 Airbus and 317 Boeing in the most grandiose fleet plan. That’s 4,000 pilots in 2025.
That equates to 250 pilot hires a year with retirements.

No disrespect to you but is this straight from the horses's mouth, I mean, the donkey? How many times has this management's promised fleet growth plan or any other plan for that matter come to fruition? These same management types promised us: 2,000 by 2,000, major QOL/line/pairing improvements once the MDs went away, Vision 2010, no need for Scope because "they would never do that!", negotiations in good faith, and countless empty and unfulfilled promises.

4,000 by 4,000? This is our new target? I guess it will be well after Hell freezes over and global warming wreaks havoc on its icebergs. Even if this minuscule growth takes effect, how will we find quality pilots? I hear 50% of our new hires require additional training. We are not hiring the best obviously. I'm seeing this on the line as well. This place is bleeding from both ends with no end in sight. The best thing that could happen to this pilot group is to be bought out or another D-day effort by real airline. By the way, JD Powers is fixed, if you haven't already caught on by now.