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Then I am incorrect and I apologize for spouting nonsense based on an incorrect perception.

I am just angry at how much my quality of life has been destroyed by being acquired by what I used to believe to be a legacy well run airline. I should step away from the keyboard for awhile.

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Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2839536)

I’ve said it before, but now, in the wake of the contract survey, I gotta call out a gross generalization.... There are THREE pilot camps at Alaska now...not two....and it’s not legacy VX, and legacy AK. So get that out of your head. It’s not true, and it doesn’t help.

1. Actively engaged forward thinking Alaska pilots who are doing the heavy lifting and leaning forward.
2. Apathetic Alaska Pilots, who are distrustful of their union (which is understandable if you know the history), BUT, are winnable if the leadership continues along a path of transparency, strength and ethics.
3. “All about me” Alaska Pilots (just like any airline) who are disengaged, and totally good with the current contract.

Based on the contract survey.... that last group is only about 9-12% of the Alaska pilot group. So, please stop with the whole “you legacy Alaska Pilots” bs rhetoric. The vast majority want change.

If/when you run into someone who doesn’t.... let it go... they’re the minority, and not worth your time.

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Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 2839547)

You have a lot more in common with many of us than you realize. I came here expecting the same thing and was shocked at the provisions, I thought were industry standard, missing from the contract. I didn’t do as much research as I thought I had and was lured in with the dream of driving to work. I still contend that this place can and will be better. 4/5ths of the pilot group now demand it.

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Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 2839547)

It’s all good brother! Just thought you should know you and former VX’rs aren’t alone in your consternation. 👍🏼

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Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2839536)

Based on the contract survey.... that last group is only about 9-12% of the Alaska pilot group. So, please stop with the whole “you legacy Alaska Pilots” bs rhetoric. The vast majority want change.

I fervently hope you're right. It HAS to have changed from the "bad old days" when only 30% of the pilots picked up the written contract and actually read it. Most of them took it from the V-file and tossed it in the "return to sender" cardboard box.

Then they'd show up at the MEC office wanting to file a grievance over a presumed contract violation without having the first clue what was in it.

Hopefully with the retirements, the VX pilots, the Kasherstrated and the new guys you'll have enough voters to make some important changes, many (i.e. scope) that should have been in there 20 years ago.

Best of luck and keep the faith with each other. That's the ONLY way things will change at AS.

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Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2839536)

Based on the contract survey.... that last group is only about 9-12% of the Alaska pilot group.

Just curious how you came up with that number?

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Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2839598)

Just curious how you came up with that number?

87.5% survey completion. 91% survey participation. Greater survey participation than any other ALPA union in the last 5 years. 14 points higher participation percentage than the next highest ALPA carrier.

I realize that buried in those 87.5/91% numbers are also prob a a small minority who theoretically don’t care, but, it’s the only data point we have for now.

What’s the 3.5% difference? People who started but didn’t complete?

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Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2839644)

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Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 2839742)

What’s the 3.5% difference? People who started but didn’t complete?

Yes sir....manly the older crowd.

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Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 2839780)

Yes sir....manly the older crowd.

Early dementia? Started it but then forgot what they were doing?