SEA Bus base
 

Honestly didn’t see that one coming. :eek:

Everyone on the Bus did.


Also don’t forget to mention the ramping down of Airbus LAX.

And the closure of the bus base by Q4 2021.
brilliant.

Nice of them to pretend to care about commuters all of a sudden :rolleyes:​​​​​​.

According to Ladner, there are 30 AAG flights from Midwest to SEA! 😂😂😂 Yeah.... maybe in an entire week span! Since when do they care about commuters?

This is a bandaid put together over the last few months...Contract is about to drag, and we didn’t give them tdy...Max is still dragging. They are hoping all these positions are filled with current bus pilots. I guess we will soon find out.

The plan continues, there is no plan

No ****. The other shoe of this merger will drop with the first TA. No votes. And they know it.

Anyone feel the planning room is a bunch of people throwing darts at an idea board. MEA where were you on that one dip****!(Happy Gilmore reference before anyone melts down)

They can hope all they want but I doubt that will happen. With the bus doing more and more of the west coast, nice turns or two day trips out of SEA, I bet it will go senior Boeing drivers bidding over to the new bus base. As you suggest, I also think our negotiations will grind to a halt in the next week or two after the final cards are laid on the table by our negotiating committee. The hourly rate alone will give B&B a cold shiver, not to mention the scope, schedule and retirement proposals. Sooner or LATER, I think they will figure out that we are serious. I think it's going to be a long road boys, but worth it in the end.

for the senior people to get out of their comfort zone and relearn to fly a plane that do everything the opposite way.

Classic piece of hyperbole there about the Airbus doing everything the opposite way. Lol

For some, adjusting to the "SCARE BUS" as some people call it, could inject some fun and excitement into the last few years of their career.

I'm sure there's more than enough guys in the first 400ish of legacy AS guys who are senior to what was the most senior VX guy before SLI, who'd be willing to fill the majority of those initial slots.

After all, flying the same type, messing with those knobs and switches on an antiquated panel for the last 20 to 30 years does get old, so the appeal of a newer, sexier, not to mention much roomier flight deck, might just be too hard to resist.

Real question.its always the exact same people posting here and the other forum. Maybe 20-30 people tops.. i would agree that with those 30 change would come but from the other 2970+ pilots is there really enough support not to vote yes due to one carrot that management throws that’s shiny enough to distract from the same old
same nonsense? I honestly think that this next contract is going to be as bad as the current one with one or two improvements. I don’t think the outrage of the 30
quite matches the tone of the rest of the group. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t see this ending well for us

Hahaha, they did that at VX as well... popular game apparently

How do you open up 3 bids of 25 crews and add 150 Airbus up in SEA without any affect on the size of SEA 737? And what does this mean for the SFO bus base?

75 CA’s and 75 FO’s only accounts for about 14 Airbuses. As indicated in the email, it’s called growing SEA. In the end these r just ‘base’ numbers since we already have quite a few Airbus departures now...

I’m glad SEA is growing. It’s way under utilized.

I actually did... it got deleted? I guess some other comments “were not above board”... I honestly didn’t think it was likely until the decision was made early this week and then rushed out. My opinion is they did this well before the bid posting to create waves for the union. This I think is a result of how far apart we are on a contract and the company is just starting to dig in. I think the bus might be here a year or two longer now. Last bus base will be Seattle now. Who knows though... change is the only constant. I think there is a good chance SEA 737 base contracts slightly too over the next 24 months.

65-70 CA/FO’s SEA based by next spring

still 20% chance they cancel this thing if they don’t like how it turns out for them.

That's not really a prediction, the email pretty much states that.

Seattle isn't growing; there are already an insane number of airbus crews overnighting in Seattle every night and its going to get worse this summer. The company is going to save a lot on hotel costs, have reserves where they need to be, and reduce their staffing requirement. Anyone who was paying attention to how much flying was being done out of Seattle should have seen this coming.

The good news is that the remaining airbus pilots should see better trips and might not have to fly into Seattle as much.

sounds like straight from the Mesa playbook. Wait, that’s a regional airline.

You missed the joke...

Plus it’ll make it easier to get plenty of pilots when we picket. 😎

No I didn't I was just to lazy to scroll and find the person who really meant it ;)

Crazy idea, why not just start using the 737's in Seattle again and use the bus elsewhere? Bam!! just saved the company millions! I only charge 1% for the saving to the company.

With the reduction in LAX bus flying, would you guess that new hires will stop being awarded the domicile immediately? Would all Airbus classes get sent to SFO until they open the SEA bus bid, or is there still a need to staff the FO side until the eventual closure in 2021?

It's hard to say how this will shake out because you can't predict pilot bidding behavior unless you can see their standing bids once the bidding starts. SFO Bus has usually been available for newhires so if you want that it should be a possibility. A gut feeling says don't count on LAX 320 because as displacements are processed, guys are gonna leave LAX Airbus as #1 so they are processed as forced displacements. Don't know how senior the SEA 320 CA and FO seats will go. Even if current SEA Boeing guys bid over to the Airbus for better seniority, those vacated 737 spots have to be filled too. If I had to guess, I think this time around you'll see newhires get SEA (something that hasn't happened recently in the last several bids).

Thanks for the insight, once again. I know they’re running two classes in March. (1 x Boeing and 1 x Bus). I’m operating under the assumption that the Bus class will be primarily (if not entirely) SFO. Guess we’ll see in a few weeks. It’s amazing how quickly things change in this industry...

I wouldn’t count on new hire classes continuing given the status of the Coronavirus and the market’s reaction to it.

Agreed things about to get messy

I’d like to hope the March classes won’t be impacted...

Time will tell, Alaska seems to be an extremely reactionary company, so have a backup plan if you can.

March/April classes will go as scheduled. What is the point of adding to a potential new hire’s stress?

A bigger, and much more appropriate question is, what about this Fall?


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I agree, once it is spreading in the US things will get pretty tough in the airline industry. The carriers with large retirement numbers may be able to absorb the potential reductions the best. Alaska has very limited retirement numbers and as a result things could get ugly for everyone, but junior folks in particular.

The US has historically managed these outbreaks very well, with few or zero cases spreading here.

Whether the global problems have a lasting effect on the economy depends. Usually a big downtown is triggered by some black swan event which causes a small downtown, which than exposes any underlying weakness in the system. Last time it was sub prime mortgages and risky lending. Is there an equivalent weakness now? Well know soon enough.

I think domestic only airlines are going to weather this a lot better than ones with a large international presence. Not saying it’ll be sunshine and rainbows but I don’t see this becoming a big deal for us.

Hope your right

So with this renewed codeshare with AA being feed for their overseas routes, you still think we are insulated? Not to be chicken little here but if this Wuflu gets worse we WILL feel the impact domestically given our exposure to it through AA