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NewGuy01 07-13-2021 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by sMFer (Post 3263042)
Do y’all have to wear masks up front? I jumped home on you guys and I went up to request a ride and say hello. FO had it on and CA grabbed it and stuck it to his face like I had the plague. I know we’re dirty SOB’s at WN, but it was a little comical.


We are all afraid to get in trouble. Hostages get taken during contract talks. Now is not the time to be doing anything other than virtue signaling at AS.


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ImperialxRat 07-14-2021 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by sMFer (Post 3263042)
Do y’all have to wear masks up front? I jumped home on you guys and I went up to request a ride and say hello. FO had it on and CA grabbed it and stuck it to his face like I had the plague. I know we’re dirty SOB’s at WN, but it was a little comical.

I agree with the post below, it was probably because you walked up wearing a mask, so he felt like he should also put on a mask. At least that's what I try and do. We are supposed to be wearing them if the flight deck door is open.

HostileCombover 07-14-2021 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 3263381)
I agree with the post below, it was probably because you walked up wearing a mask, so he felt like he should also put on a mask. At least that's what I try and do. We are supposed to be wearing them if the flight deck door is open.

Not at AS, but it’s become somewhat of a reflex to put the mask on when someone comes into the flight deck. Too many complaints to risk the ire of management. Also seems somewhat polite when considering how spooled up some people get about non-maskers, as irrational is it may be. About a month back a random passenger took a picture of me, mask-less, in the cockpit from the terminal window and promptly posted it to social media blasting me and the company for insensitivity. This is the bizarro world in which we live.

Barneyrubble 07-14-2021 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by HostileCombover (Post 3263494)
Not at AS, but it’s become somewhat of a reflex to put the mask on when someone comes into the flight deck. Too many complaints to risk the ire of management. Also seems somewhat polite when considering how spooled up some people get about non-maskers, as irrational is it may be. About a month back a random passenger took a picture of me, mask-less, in the cockpit from the terminal window and promptly posted it to social media blasting me and the company for insensitivity. This is the bizarro world in which we live.

Still required with the cockpit door open.

HostileCombover 07-14-2021 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Barneyrubble (Post 3263520)
Still required with the cockpit door open.

Doors were closed. But sure, you’re right. It’s all about perception these days. Why would that crew risk anything on behalf of a Jumpseater?

Benito 07-18-2021 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by sMFer (Post 3263042)
Do y’all have to wear masks up front? I jumped home on you guys and I went up to request a ride and say hello. FO had it on and CA grabbed it and stuck it to his face like I had the plague. I know we’re dirty SOB’s at WN, but it was a little comical.

You do not have to wear a mask in the cockpit at AS even if the door is open if it interferes with your duties and the safety of your flight (I can give examples if you cannot work this out for yourself but let's hope things are not that bad here).
Digest that for a second.
Anyone that is scared of a visit from a jumpseater or anyone else is either scared of Covid or their co-workers. Once upon a time the Captain was King, not so at AS. I was written up by a flight attendant and had to answer to my chief pilot, NOT for NOT wearing a mask but for my attitude in regard to masks.
Given that Alaska is a regional airline with regional pilot management mentality I understand why this crew may have drawn mud when you entered the cockpit when they did not have masks on, this is why we have a garbage contract and will never have a contract as good as say JetBlue's first contract. 89 years of arrogance and counting.

sMFer 07-18-2021 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Benito (Post 3265600)
You do not have to wear a mask in the cockpit at AS even if the door is open if it interferes with your duties and the safety of your flight (I can give examples if you cannot work this out for yourself but let's hope things are not that bad here).
Digest that for a second.
Anyone that is scared of a visit from a jumpseater or anyone else is either scared of Covid or their co-workers. Once upon a time the Captain was King, not so at AS. I was written up by a flight attendant and had to answer to my chief pilot, NOT for NOT wearing a mask but for my attitude in regard to masks.
Given that Alaska is a regional airline with regional pilot management mentality I understand why this crew may have drawn mud when you entered the cockpit when they did not have masks on, this is why we have a garbage contract and will never have a contract as good as say JetBlue's first contract. 89 years of arrogance and counting.


Wow. That’s shocking to get a call about your view on masks. I thought for sure I would get a call as well about a shuttle ride, but so far nothing. I just wish people would be allowed to do what’s best for them.

Ala5ka 07-19-2021 10:53 AM

Bingo. As much as I want a great new contract, I know that the next one will be just ever so slightly less terrible, but not by much.

Originally Posted by Benito (Post 3265600)
Given that Alaska is a regional airline with regional pilot management mentality I understand why this crew may have drawn mud when you entered the cockpit when they did not have masks on, this is why we have a garbage contract and will never have a contract as good as say JetBlue's first contract. 89 years of arrogance and counting.


NewGuy01 07-19-2021 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 3265851)
Bingo. As much as I want a great new contract, I know that the next one will be just ever so slightly less terrible, but not by much.


What makes you think it will be less terrible?

I see Air Group making some very wise moves. Growth at the regional level. This attracts new pilots into the Air Group flying staffing. A pipeline into 737s at QX. No degree required and a preferential interview from QX.

There won’t be staffing issues and as far as Air Group is concerned if I leave and I’m replaced by a flow through pilot from QX with no degree it’s a win. They cost less for 3 years and are less likely to leave because they do not meet the hiring requirements for a real major airline.

If there is an adoption of PBS with the current work rules and staffing model this place is going to get much, much worse.


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Ala5ka 07-19-2021 04:18 PM

I agree with you. I think at the very best outcome our new contract will be “slightly less terrible”.. I don’t see any measurable gains coming to our quality of life or scope problem

Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3265901)
What makes you think it will be less terrible?

I see Air Group making some very wise moves. Growth at the regional level. This attracts new pilots into the Air Group flying staffing. A pipeline into 737s at QX. No degree required and a preferential interview from QX.

There won’t be staffing issues and as far as Air Group is concerned if I leave and I’m replaced by a flow through pilot from QX with no degree it’s a win. They cost less for 3 years and are less likely to leave because they do not meet the hiring requirements for a real major airline.

If there is an adoption of PBS with the current work rules and staffing model this place is going to get much, much worse.


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