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Back2future 02-05-2021 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3190965)
190's? Sure, they belong at mainline.

But the problem is if you merge existing RJ flying, the RJ pilots will want a longevity-based SLI. You cannot legally staple them unless they volunteer to be stapled.

OO you can get rid of by letting the contracts run out.

But you'd probably have to threaten to shutdown QX and transfer the assets (ala Tranny)... how's that staple sound now?

I have zero interest in merging with qx. Unlike the guy I was replying to I do have a strong interest in my career progression and if that is made stronger by a subfleet with a commensurate pay scale then count me in.

ExperimentalAB 02-05-2021 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3190967)
Serious question: how do you get from here to there?

Well if I were King...I'd have a merger of lists that greatly favored Alaska pilots, and would aim pay for the airframe to be somewhere between what Horizon has now and our blended 737 rates, comparable to jetBlue's 190 deal. A junior airframe on property works for everybody, and I've never understood the senior guys' aversion to smaller jets. Not sure of the mechanisms that would set that in motion, but as a realist I understand the gross lack of appetite on both sides of the equation. It may be a pipe-dream, but one that would strengthen our collective bargaining power and career progression in the long-run.

trip 02-05-2021 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3190818)
Yes. And AS ALPA does not want to do an SLI with QX. They would rather COMAIR them first, for good reason.

What's the "good reason"?

mkitrn 02-05-2021 05:49 PM

I really don’t see how this could not be done with fences and b scale? I mean isn’t this like every airline in Europe?

9mikemike 02-05-2021 08:45 PM

We had 100 seat 737-200’s, 124 seat 737-700’s, 140 seat MD 80’s, 144 seat 737-400’s, 156 seat 737-800’s and 172 seat 737-900’s (w/ mid-cabin lavs) all for the same hourly rate....Where does a plan to bring in an A220-300 that flys trans con, can do etops and seats 115 -145 pax fit into that. Even a 195-E2 can fly 110 -140 depending on config...Why should we accept less money to fly a significantly more capable airframe then we have already had. Pre chinaflue Alaska had an RFQ out to Boeing for 700MAX, Airbus for 220-300 and Embraer for E195-E2. In Alaska managements mind those 3 airframes are equal period. So they pay equal....Jetblue just created a permanent B scale by allowing the A220-300, an airframe that hauls just as many pax as a 319, flies further and costs less to operate , to be flown for less....

NewGuy01 02-05-2021 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3191046)
Easy, integration based on Alpa years of service. 170/190 pay 4th year AS FO rates starting and up, 170/190 FO rates 65% of AS FO rates, top at year 5. It's not going to happen though, check back in 5 years this will all be silly bickering.

In the worst year in aviation history my CA friends got 18-22K bonus, most FO friends 8-9K. This is embarrassing everyone. We work for a good company, show up do a good job and enjoy. Trust your union to fix what needs fixing.

We are about on target, let’s see what the summer brings. Relax, enjoy, and let yourself arrive!

Wait. You have friends that are FOs? Did you tell them you were salivating to lick their furlough envelopes stamp it and rejoice when when they were on the street? It's amazing how you've changed your tune so much. Attachment 6033

OTZeagle1 02-05-2021 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3191305)
Wait. You have friends that are FOs? Did you tell them you were salivating to lick their furlough envelopes stamp it and rejoice when when they were on the street? It's amazing how you've changed your tune so much. Attachment 6033


Like I was serious 😂. You come on here, appearing to struggle with numbers, letters, shapes, and colors. I honestly find it hard to believe you are really an Alaska pilot. The funny thing is, most my friends that are FO’s at AS have IQ’s of 125 or higher. I struggle with drivel and dude, all you write on here is drivel .

OTZeagle1 02-05-2021 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3191304)
We had 100 seat 737-200’s, 124 seat 737-700’s, 140 seat MD 80’s, 144 seat 737-400’s, 156 seat 737-800’s and 172 seat 737-900’s (w/ mid-cabin lavs) all for the same hourly rate....Where does a plan to bring in an A220-300 that flys trans con, can do etops and seats 115 -145 pax fit into that. Even a 195-E2 can fly 110 -140 depending on config...Why should we accept less money to fly a significantly more capable airframe then we have already had. Pre chinaflue Alaska had an RFQ out to Boeing for 700MAX, Airbus for 220-300 and Embraer for E195-E2. In Alaska managements mind those 3 airframes are equal period. So they pay equal....Jetblue just created a permanent B scale by allowing the A220-300, an airframe that hauls just as many pax as a 319, flies further and costs less to operate , to be flown for less....

I couldn’t agree more, MAX 7’s and one rate.

NewGuy01 02-05-2021 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3191311)
Like I was serious [emoji23]. You come on here, appearing to struggle with numbers, letters, shapes, and colors. I honestly find it hard to believe you are really an Alaska pilot. The funny thing is, most my friends that are FO’s at AS have IQ’s of 125 or higher. I struggle with drivel.


I struggle with numbers? That’s rich coming from the guy who predicted our furlough to a tenth of a percent.

You must be bummed. You were looking forward to seeing your crying FO “friends” at the Wally Mart in Gig Harbor.


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ExperimentalAB 02-05-2021 09:45 PM

700MAX all the way at one rate, absolutely. But that still doesn’t fix the outsourcing.


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