Ain't that the truth!
https://i.imgur.com/ndawVv3.png

Ha Ha you beat me to it. The loudest minority at AS and on APC.

Being miserable online is a part time job for some. I just choose not to be, you can have at it.

The union speaks for me oh and also 3 people on APC represent all of the pilots 🤣

Thats because what AS promotes isn’t ideologically driven. It’s performance art for their customer base and certain employee groups.

Because the state is blessed with arguably the best climate in the entire nation, and some of the most spectacular scenery and outdoor activities available in the country it continues to draw in people, although the business climate does seem to be slowly shifting out of state.

After living in California for years, I realized it is the land of dichotomies....You have some of the most privileged, wealthy people who go to great lengths to make sure nothing in their little slice of CA changes. It's like they experience great guilt in the opulence in which they lead their daily lives so they vote in policies that they think will "help" all the lesser people. We all know how much of the govt "help" destroys rather than builds lives. They have their own private security and even fire services, so if other peoples houses are burglarized and/or burnt due to bad policy, well so be it.

Coastal elites buy and drive Teslas and BMW's while sharing the freeway with millions of people who flock across the border daily/monthly/yearly belching smog to do all the real work. They live in an artificial cocoon world where they all hear the same things and repeat the same ideas to each other at cocktail parties.

Like the nation, by land mass, much of CA is actually quite conservative, but alas they are heavily outweighed by the echo chambers of the city/coastal elite politics.

Bottom line though, a few airline bases in CA will not make or break the CA economy. I'm sure there are some people who would love to de-hub CA airports anyway. Better for claiming a green economy improvement.

AS hardly goes anywhere but SEA from CA anyways. Just ask any SFO or LAX based crew, the first stop is always SEA haha.

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2...t5spBxKQyY49wg


not the most credible source but something to look at.

DH to work with satellite bases at popular commuter cities?

Apparently AA closing their FA base at SFO.

When your'e the largest economy in the nation and fifth largest in the world, you get to set your own rules, for better or worse.

According to Simple Flying, JetBlue has also been hit with these CA work rules.

https://simpleflying.com/jetblue-set...-with-payment/

Their actual productive economy isn't quite that large... they get to claim credit for all of the money that flows through the SFO and LA financial centers. Also revenue from big tech. That's not the same as producing useful goods and services, more about controlling stuff that other people use. They also have a large service economy due to having a lot of people.

Yes because paying your flight attendants one hour of extra pay is so abhorrent that they will pay for thousands of employees to ride positive space, while getting paid to SFO to start their rotation.

The sad part about all this is union employees who fall for these management tactics. The chances of SFO, LAX, FAT etc becoming devoid of pilot and FA bases is practically zero. Even if a web domain called PaddleYourKanoo says so.

I know this is APC but come on guys. Maybe read the actual law. Sure for a company that operates wide bodies maybe its plausible they could shift resources. But for AS? How many legs are over 6 hours? That is the threshold for adding the hour of pay.

Perhaps you should read the actual law. The 1 hour bump pay is not meant to be regularly scheduled. In fact the ruling specifically threatened massive civil fines if Alaska attempted to subvert the law by giving an hour pay. Good thought though glad you are so confidently incorrect.

That's just, "economic activity," but weirdly disregarding economic activity due to any of those "big tech" or "financial centers." It is obvious that millions of people (likely billions) are using the "big tech" and "financial centers" and find them to be useful goods and services. Same for service economy. I don't get this point at all.

What he means is that me sending my 1040 ES checks to the IRS in San Francisco does not really mean that’s economic activity unique to California. The IRS would have still taken the money if I’d have sent it to an office somewhere else. There is nothing unique about California in that regard. It’s not so much THEIR economic activity as it is economic activity that currently flows through the state but is actually pretty readily moved - like all the tech companies moving to Austin.

Controlling economic activity is not the same as generating economic activity.

In the digital age the cornerstones of CA's economy can be moved rather quickly. In fact some would say it's already happening. CA will still have an economy of some sort due to the service needs of the large population. And maybe agriculture if they can find enough water to keep that going.

You can say the same for BOS, NY, PHL, and DC but they are all in different states.

London was the center of the universe at the height of the British Empire. Their main economic product was control. And beer I suppose.

Warm beer…

AA Closes SFO FA Base

https://abc7news.com/american-airlin...rnia/12231087/

It does say in that article that LAX isn’t closing. Does this closure have anything to do with the ruling?

Not if they aren't closing their other CA bases lol.

Yet…

But seriously, you know it’s going to be a factor. California no longer has the clout to be the tail that wags the dog. Look at all the Californians fleeing to other states.

https://i.ibb.co/BtvHMJG/6-F9-EBE7-B...36-DF394-A.jpg

No, not every job is transferable, but for much of aviation related activity, living in California is a choice. One they don’t HAVE to make.

Yea, and tons of people also choose to live here. It is an awesome place, that has problems like any other state with major cities. It is still a very important place with lots of demand for airline flying. The FA lawsuit ruling is super unfortunate and near sided. I hope it will be rectified.

The “lawsuit ruling” simply says the California law is legal. California politicians can change it any time they want. Except it’s doubtful they would ever want to. Too few people adversely affected in too few industries to modify the law. Easier to let a few thousand jobs go elsewhere.

You are insinuating that the law is the reason for the base closure. And not American's staffing issues combined with a diminished presence in SF.

Ah, statistics ….

With almost 40 million people, of course California will lead the country in many categories, looking at raw numbers. But that hardly tells the whole story.

Taking population into account, California actually lags other high tax, liberal commie socialist strongholds like
Louisiana, West Virginia, Nebraska and Indiana, and is one percent of radical leftie Iowa.

Source is Atlas Van Lines…no dog in the fight, don’t want to ruin anyone’s narrative.

I’ve been telling everyone to stay away for decades … yet traffic continues to worsen and property values continue to rise.

Tell the US Census. Because they believe California actually lost population.

https://i.ibb.co/yYTJcSG/A4989-B6-D-...B7-CF997-C.jpg

Or perhaps you can get Atlas Van Lines to tell them. Now there is an authoritative source.


Maybe they’ll give back the Congressional District too:

I always laugh at conservative wish casting.

Cherry picking pandemic population numbers. Everyone took their Work From Home salaries and ran. That surely proves your point that California's collapse is imminent.

Nevermind that some have already moved back. But don't let reality stand in your way.

Pretty sure the only “conservative wish casting” in all the other states is that Cali gets its shizzle together so they DO migrate back.

Um, a THIRD of US states lost population in 2021….yawn.

Sorry if the facts don’t help the “people are fleeing CA because of the radical left” narrative … but them’s the facts. The facts also remain that there are still too many damn people on CA roads, not enough housing, and not enough water. So stay away, and if you don’t like it, just leave…

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...c-report-finds

Wow, I’ve got a stalker!! And I thought this was just going to be a normal day…

I’m wrong that CA has not lost more people per capita than every other state? Um, no, unless you can’t do math.

That CA has lost people is not the point I was contradicting—CA has too many people from my point of view and has grown relentlessly for decades. I’m addressing the common theme that CA leads all states in people fleeing because of politics…which is BS, and cargodog’s sources confirm it too.

But thanks for playing, it was cute.

That’s funny and very true. But for folks who don’t need to be in CA every day to work, or can afford second homes, they’ll prob never return.

I live there. There's a net influx of wealthy retirees from snow country and especially high-income people who can now telecommute. That's driving up prices and rents.

That's good for california.gov because taxes.

The people leaving are the folks who work for a living, esp middle class including the lower tier of upper middle class (which includes a lot of pilots). There is a slight net population decline over the last 2-3 years.

Look at the political shift of places like Orange County and Pasadena. Used to be staunch republican now all moving to the left. I'd argue that it's the blue collar conservatives, sick of far left policy, stupid high COL, and taxes, are the ones fleeing to places like Texas, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, and Florida. Then they get there and realize their conservative by California views are far left by local standards and they unfortunately set about to turn their new home back in to California.

First of all, talking about California in generalities is a fools errand. The state is like 5 different distinct states mashed together, geographically, economically, and politically.

Not unlike every other state (excepting apparently Oklahoma):


2016 presidential election by county:

https://i.postimg.cc/yxdYJJDx/72257-...7-E11341-E.png

As a contrast, here is the population increase in Texas:

2010 25,145,561
2020 29,145,505
A 15.9% increase.

The use of single year estimate data set, 2021, can be fraught with inaccuracies.

From 2010 to 2020 Census, only 3 states lost population. Delaware, Illinois, and South Carolina. That is a far cry from 1/3 in the headline.

Several states did not keep up with the average increases, so lost Congressional seats. That included California.

What are we talking about again? I forgot