More like, California being California driving people and businesses out.

If 400 flight attendants from a struggling airline is your bellwether of "driving out business," then you might be a partisan.

That's nothing. Think bigger companies.

Hewlett-Packard, Oracle, Tesla, Toyota. The list is long and distinguished.

This is true of most things..yet we have page after page of people bashing CA as if everyone her has one hive mind … like a cult. Makes me laugh, just shows ignorance of the variety within the state. Like no one has ever heard of Reagan or Nixon.

Yes, this is pretty close to a map for population distribution too. But dirt don’t vote.

More than 50% of the US population resides in 10 states. Dirt doesn’t vote, but we have a system that gives the other less populous states a fair voice. Liberals like higher education but they hate the Electoral College. ;)

"fair" = minority rule.

Also excargodog picked the 2016 county map. There's no fact that he won't cherry pick.

Every true patriot knows that land votes, not people.

https://vividmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/US-population-density.jpg

The reason the electoral system isn't "fair" is because all of the states signed on to that CONSTITUTIONAL provision when they joined the union. Presumably many would not have joined if that would have subjugated them to the tyranny of being ruled by the populist whims of people in distant, more populous states. Hmmm, that actually sounds a lot like the American Revolution.

There's a reason it's the way it is.

Don't like it? That's what constitutional conventions are for. Is that too hard? Then try to implement a non-constitutional electoral system and impose that on other states, and see what happens.

The possibility of Alaska Air removing crew bases from CA. At least that is what I thought this thread was about?

Tyranny of the populous states. Tyranny of the minority states.

Either way, someone loses.

But know this, the Electoral College is nothing more than Affirmative Action for voting.

Waste of breath. Don't like it, convene a constitutional convention.

And it's not "affirmative action", it's just a manifestation of the constitutional sovereignty of the several states. If you want to take away what's left of that, maybe you should invade?

Of course it is affirmative action. It gives a disproportionate advantage to less populous states.

Whether or not it's constitutionally enshrined is moot.

Why should 10 of the most populous states that have 50%+ decide for the other 40 states? Tyranny of the populous state isn’t an answer either. We are a Constitutional Republic.

Not even the bluest or reddest state is monolithic. Most states fall within 10 points margin between parties.

Let's not be hyperbolic. No states live under tyranny if the one who receives the most votes wins.

This is just more up is down misdirection

Also, the solution is simple. If you want to win races, have popular positions.

So you want to abolish the electoral college, and wait for all other airlines to get a new contract before us….

Ooooooooooooook…..

No. I don't want to abolish it. But I want its advocates to acknowledge that it's Affirmative Action for small states. That should make their brains explode.


Also, if you wait for one major, the rest will match within days. No one can be left behind in this market. It's a shame that some can't make that connection.

That only works if the US population is spread evenly among 50 states. It is not. 10 states have more than half the US population. Electoral College is not affirmative action. The US is a Constitutional Republic and this method ensures 10 states don’t get to overrule the other 40.

You're just repeating yourself now. No matter how you spin it, you're giving those "40" states more voice than their numbers. Everything after that is rationalization.

Shy is repeating it over & over because he is correct.

Everything you’ve said is irrational…

Why are you hung up on population inside a state? This isn’t the United Populous of America, it’s the United States of America. The country consists of 50 states and is a Constitutional Republic. Why does it matter where people live, each state gets 2 senators for the Senate. That seems very fair and a constitutional amendment requires 75% so 37 states have to sign off on it. This is an excellent set up. This way, the states have power. Not any one state that some might flock to.

Oh look, someone else that doesn’t understand how the country works.

The electoral college is based on members of the total of House of Representatives and Senators for each state. Some say they want to change the two Senators per state in the constitution. They may not be aware the Constitution indicates changing the Senators to be based on population requires approval of every one of the low population states. It, in essence, is a “poison” pill. Cannot change it. Never get approved.

Further, what about a Constitutional amendment abolishing the Electoral College? A Constitutional amendment requires 2/3 of both the House and the Senate. Then 3/4 of all the states. That includes low population states. Never get approved.

The other option being suggested in state legislatures is their electors would go to the majority of popular vote. These states are highly Democratic states. When the popular vote is Democratic, those states’ electors would have gone Democratic anyway. In effect, no change. When the popular vote swings Republican, their highly Democratic state electors cast would be required to be the Republican slate. Those states would scream blood murder. But they made their bed, and they must lie in it.

The United States is not a direct democracy, and I don’t want it to be.

When ask what kind of government they came up with, Benjamin Franklin said, ‘A republic, if you can keep it.”

If one does not understand the difference between a direct democracy and a republic, they need to read up on it. They are different.

Um, no…just your California-bashing sources, not “the data.” Or are people fleeing the red states in proportionately higher numbers than CA doing so because of the horrible socialist regimes in place … in Nebraska, WV and LA?

I’m in favor…keep my federal tax dollars at home…Texas was once a country, they’re probably good with it too.

Everyone could move where they’re happy, let’s see how that would work out. A new CSA=rescind voting for women, disfavor non-Christianity, and mandate other “traditional” values. Paradise for many very vocal red-staters whose only problem will be losing all that federal $$ they now receive in excess of their taxes paid. Small issue, maybe they will entice businesses to stay/move there. Win/win. What’s not to love?

The problem with your argument:

Population of Oklahoma: approximately 4 million.
Population LA County: approximately 10 million.

I could go on.

California is definitely unlike every other state. It's like its own country. And like it or not, when 1/8 of the US population lives there, yes their laws wag the rest of the country.

Vote no. Thanks.

I’m not sure the founding fathers could imagine how extreme population and therefore power has gotten distributed.

21 of the smallest states make up roughly same population as California. They have 42 senate votes, California has 2. That’s wild.

Sure would be wild if we didn't have the House of Representatives. Oh, and how many electoral votes again?

Yep.... you're right. Here's a great video showing just that... ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlDWzN6TW5Y

Lol. It's funny because it's true.

The Senate has the power to confirm judges, the Senate shapes the judicial branch. Voters in small states have way more power to affect the judiciary than those in larger states.

You clearly didn’t understand what my “argument” was (and it wasn’t an argument, it was a statement). Ie, there is considerable political diversity in almost EVERY State. Even hard core Oklahoma has 33% Dems. They just happen to be spread out more evenly in Oklahoma than other states.

But if you look at the general trend, the nesting habits of Repubs tend to be the sparsely populated rural areas, those of Dems tend to be the big cities, and the suburbs are pretty much split. Nothing special about CA in that regard. It’s just bigger and more populous than most states.

Now compare the House of Representatives.

Back in the 1790s, two or three states had more population than all the others of the 13, combined. They set it up that way. Intentionally. To have everyone work together, so they set up the House, to give bigger voice to the high population states and the Senate to give bigger voice to the low population states.

All laws have to be passed by both. Everyone had to work together.

That’s wild, isn’t it?

Wisdom.