So..... you really do want absolute control? Do you even know how the laws are made in this country and what is the point of the House of Representatives?

All one needs to do is look at one way Uhaul rates into and out of CA to know the actual truth.

Potentially no California crew bases
 

Um, no…you should really drill down into data before you read a title and start quoting sources. Here is an example of another data point in the Census info you purport to cite to that hardly supports the mindless echo chamber narrative…

“Alabama, which also could lose a congressional seat depending on the final census count, does have a budding immigrant population, some without legal status, that’s helping to boost the state’s population—though it’s growing more slowly than the country as a whole, said Nyesha Black, a demographer at the University of Alabama’s Center for Economic and Business research. “One of the reasons our school-age population hasn’t dropped, which would create more issues, is the growth in Hispanic students,” Black said. “The reality is that it isn’t just California that’s an immigrant-receiving state. It’s Alabama as well.”

…so, Alabama would have a population decline and House loss — those darned over-taxing socialists again! - but for those dependable immigrants! Sure, that really supports your narrative, but you keep doing you…it’s cute.

As someone who lives and is from “flyover” country… trust me…. We are rooting for California. I’d love nothing better that to see our property values go back to normal and the West Coast flight reverse course.

Hahaha! Only boomers or poor rednecks load their crap in a u-haul and trek across the country like the Beverly Hillbillies. I think most people buying million dollar 1200sf homes in California are hiring moving companies. With semis. So your "data" may be a bit skewed gramps.

This is true. We are seeing lots of wealthy retirees and also high-end professionals who can now work from home and would rather do it in a nicer climate than the NE or south.

The people leaving are regular workers and employers. It is a net loss of people, but real estate prices in desirable locations are not dropping. My values are up by over 1M$ on paper since 2020.

But workers and companies leaving is going to hurt sacramento in the long run... they can only tax retirees so much.

It’s interesting to watch, looks like some areas that heated up during COVID (Boise, Austin) are cooling off.

I’ve owned property both in the middle and in coasts, but only the properties near the beach really appreciated and performed as an investment. The tax rules in certain states can really hurt longtime owners who “benefit” from rapid appreciation and see their property tax bill go up each year. So I’m sure many who aren’t selling are just hurt by rapidly spiking values. I hope your situation works out for you.

Cali has that going for it, Prop 13 locks in your tax base at time of purchase and then it only goes up 2% annually max. So your property tax won't exceed your net retirement income decades down the road.

Otherwise The State would foreclose on retirees so they could replace them with high earners who pay high taxes.

I described that awhile back. I showed links to back it up. I was called a lier and the links were ignored. “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up”.

Ha! Imagine if they tried to foreclose on retirees here in Florida! There'd be no one left!

Actually, yes, proportionately people are leaving several red states (didn’t cross-check Alabama, but identified a few in earlier posts) with higher rates of “exodus” than CA. This data challenges the politically-motivated narrative.

The truth is there is no “one” reason-CA is like a separate country, it’s too complex and massive for simplistic explanations — as much as we humans tend to favor them. Plenty of people I know who’re turning places like TX, ID and MT “purple” still own homes and have ties in CA that they have no intent on severing. But the ones who state a political reason get a lot of recognition — we shall see how this works out in the long term.

It's largely economic... high COL and high taxes. Some of it is safety & security. Many younger folks just can't afford a home and family... if you can't live near the water, might as well keep going east until you're over the state line. I probably wouldn't stay if I had to live out of sight of the ocean.

Some of it is school system... people don't want their kids indoctrinated with every whackjob ideology that comes out of left field.

Some do leave for politics, my comfortably retired, born and raised in SOCAL aunt did a couple years ago, it was 100% politics. My uncle did not want to go, but happy wife, happy life.

I have family members who left California over politics. Funny thing, they are red-pilled Democrats who swear they will never again vote Democrat… they don’t exactly like Trump, but if he runs in 2024, they’ll “hold their nose and vote for him over anybody of the present day Democratic Party.”

My FIL was the latest one to leave the beach, and he left over politics as well, though he was never a Democrat.

It’s truly sad.

California has one electoral vote for every 650k residents (roughly).

North Dakota has 650k residents and 3 electoral votes.

Both states are members of the United *States* of America.

Let’s not sell anyone short. Right field can generate plenty of “whackjob ideology” too.

“You can’t criticize something unless you call for a constitutional convention” is a pretty ****ty take

You're criticizing something which is fundamentally defined by the constitution. Criticize all you like but it's a waste of breath unless you advocate:

a) A Constitutional Convention or
b) A civil war

Which is it? (a) is the only legal path to change what you don't like, and if try to wave a wand and abrogate the constitution that severely I can guarantee that the union will dissolve. Or simply throw out by force the unconstitutional government which would be by definition illegitimate. The good news is that it won't be much of a civil war since the vast majority of those who are capable and/or inclined to fight will all be on the same side.

Although I suppose you could try to arrange for an amicable divorce.

I can simultaneously think something is ridiculous and also recognize that it’s unlikely to change. But yes, I do encourage a constitutional convention to fix the completely unfair representation system we have.

“neener neener it’s never going to change” is a ****ty take.

Absolutely, and the same applies. But we got rid of most of that when I was a kid.

I just told you how to change it...

Uh huh…. and it’s actually brilliant because it prevents tyranny by the majority.

again, that’s a ****ty take. I wasn’t asking how to change it, and you know that.

That’s so sad!

yes, it is sad that people enjoy that some people’s vote is less important than others’. Revel in it, even.

Lol, those expensive moving companies also charge a lot more for a move out of California than a move in.

Cry harder about it.

indeed, thanks for reinforcing my point

My pleasure.

It’s super understandable that politicians and their supporters in all the most populous areas of the country wanna also export those same ideas to every other area of the country.

It’s understandable …. After 50 years, their resume is just so incredibly impressive. The only thing standing in the way of making the Utopia that is the State of California are rube cowboys in Montana and their equal representation in the Senate and Electoral College.

We are a Constitutional Republic of 50 states which make the United States of America. It's not the United Populous of America. States have a voice, especially an equal voice in the Senate with 2 from each state for a 100 total.

So... I'm just spitballing here... but what do you think it would do to the US economy, politics, and national defense if CA, OR, and WA took Rick's advice decided to secede? Would a civil war erupt? Would that be an amicable divorce? What if the country broke into several countries? Say the Northeast blue states, the southeast red states, Texas, the red prairie and mountain states, the blue upper midwest, then the west coast? How about that scenario? Could the rural states who hold their votes over the rest of the country's heads survive? I mean since we are openly suggesting civil war, let's go big or go home.

Or we could, I dunno, reform the electoral college and representational structure in a way to make it more fair and satisfy the majority. That option sounds easier and better for us all to me. What isn't going to help is the increased trenching and saber rattling.

Sorry, who did you think chooses who's in Congress?

the Illuminati? ;)

you think Marjorie Taylor Greene is a better voice for president than you are?

but also, that would still mean more representation in the vote for certain constituents than others

See, this is where the liberals just lose the plot, and I don't blame them per se because they just simply weren't taught or even exposed to opposing viewpoints and being forced to defend their views because that is "triggering, microaggression, insensitive, not inclusive, etc. etc. etc." I think liberals of today are weak, uncultured, intolerant, arrogant, bigoted, and probably the most racist I've ever seen in the western world. That's why it cracks me up every time I see them screeching about them accusing anyone in GOP of anything of the sort. It's downright comical because they are that unaware and ignorant. The good news is that ignorance can be fixed and so can unawareness. The question is what causes the learning to occur.

I love the libs talking about civil war. How many would forego their pumpkin spice latte and pick up a weapon? Who would they fight and where? I mean, these people are supposedly all about diversity, equity and inclusion, yet they can't tolerate an opposing viewpoint, articulate theirs, nor are they receptive to the concept of agree to disagree. Talk about being confused! And when it comes to fighting an actual civil war, do you liberals really think you have a chance? You think the military is gonna be there to save you? This is one small example of their overall ignorance I was talking about. The military is the first entity that falls apart from within in any civil conflict regardless of how strong it is. How do you think cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco or Seattle would fare in a civil war? You can literally starve them out by blocking access points and people inside would become animalistic within days. Have things gotten so bad that you are willing to forego your latest latte and go impose your version of diversity, equity and inclusion by violent means on those who disagree with your version of it?

Trust me libs, you don't want a civil war. You would be annihilated and those who survive would learn a very painful lesson. It's like a kid who wants to put their hand on the hot stove, and you're warning them to not do that. The kid being a smart ass puts their hand on it and burns their hand pretty badly and now it's time to cry and scream in pain and regret. That's what a civil war in this country would bring to most liberals. You don't want that. Instead, you want to re-learn the art of listening. You want to re-learn the art of having an open mind and welcoming having your thoughts and opinion challenged as opposed to finding it a microaggression or triggering. You also may want to think about what you're preaching about "diversity" and realize what that really means. No, it doesn't stop at one's race or the severity of one's gender dysphoria as you've been taught. No, diversity really means finding out what unites a city slicker from San Francisco, that cattle rancher in Montana, and the neighborhood restaurant owner in Iowa. What do they all have in common, and build on that. Believe me, despite our political differences, we have far more in common than you think. You're just choosing to focus on what separates us vs. what brings us together. This is why we have Electoral College. It forces that city slicker from San Francisco to look for common ground with that cattle rancher and the restaurant owner in Iowa. That's how you build unity and not create a tyranny simply because there are many more city slickers concentrated in a single spot. That's why it's absolutely genius.

So cool down the rhetoric. No, your political opponents aren't the reincarnates of the worst evil that plagued this planet. Stop with the hyperbole and using incendiary language and start working on lowering the temperature. Realize the evils of the social media and the echo chambers that the social media algorithms provide - if you believe the earth is flat, you can surround yourself with the like-minded people on social media platforms and those social media platform algorithms are going bring every last flat-earther together to form an echo chamber and anyone who comes in saying the earth isn't flat is gonna be a pariah there. Same goes for politics. Same goes for religion. This is what diversity really means. Too bad the Democratic Party doesn't see it like that anymore. They used to, but they radically shifted and that prompted many lifelong Democrats to switch to GOP, and quite a few in my family. Learn from history, because if you don't, we're bound to repeat it.

You're low-key threatening genocide here, but we should just "cool down" cuz you're not "the reincarnates of the worst evil that plagued this planet".