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Quote: Meanwhile we can't staff our flying due to attrition. The summer schedule is being reduced. The training department is scrambling to cover everything and frankly it is a mess. But yes. Hurl personal insults and stomp your feet.

P.S. that isn't working
If you think all the other majors are just peachy, your living under a rock.
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Quote: I was at work TAFB for 315 hours for January. More for March. For January it was an average of 10.5 hours at work. Every day of the month. I can't trade, I can't drop and I don't get the lines I'd like to fly or days off. In April I will have been an FO at AS for over 5 years. I also haven't been paid correctly without a 5-10 hour investment in my time to correct my pay. Every month since December. My Rainmaker notes are ignored. My emails to Payroll are ignored. Thankfully I am getting some help from the Payroll Committee.

It is too bad that so many young pilots who were likely good hires for AS have left. I don't believe that pay rates are the issue. The real issue is that management has a culture of abusing pilots that they have grown accustomed to. This is evident daily in my experience and many other pilots experience. As long as management does not attempt to correct the culture of abusing and mistreating pilots, attrition will remain a problem despite even better pay rates than you seem to tout here regularly. Pilots need to be paid correctly, which is a basic legal requirement. They also need to be treated like professionals without belittlement or abuse.
20+ years here at AS, hasn’t been perfect… but honest reflection, it’s been pretty good. In those years, I have rarely had payroll issues. When I have, they have always been corrected. Rainmaker for me has been a great tool, payroll has always been quick to correct, with little or no effort by me. You are obviously not the only one with payroll issues though, we had two chain letters over the weekend that validate some struggles out there. At five years in the right seat, I would think you would be holding trips you like… that would be frustrating considering the growth we have had recently. I have friends that are your contemporaries here in SEA and they honestly are pretty happy with the lines they hold. Scheduling flexibility needs to change now! I don’t want you to leave, I want you here, I want you happy, I do wonder with the wrong perspective that is impossible for some. Honestly, Alaska Airlines has treated me unbelievably well, times I am almost embarrassed how well, how accommodating they have been… I realize this is only my own personal experience though.

The bid that just posted is the bid no buddy wanted. Pilots didn’t want it, neither did management. I am confident it will frustrate many. It is the direct result of an unsustainable attrition rate.
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Quote: Scheduling flexibility needs to change now!
This is the second time you actually said something that is true and must happen asap!
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Quote: 20+ years here at AS, hasn’t been perfect… but honest reflection, it’s been pretty good. In those years, I have rarely had payroll issues. When I have, they have always been corrected. Rainmaker for me has been a great tool, payroll has always been quick to correct, with little or no effort by me. You are obviously not the only one with payroll issues though, we had two chain letters over the weekend that validate some struggles out there. At five years in the right seat, I would think you would be holding trips you like… that would be frustrating considering the growth we have had recently. I have friends that are your contemporaries here in SEA and they honestly are pretty happy with the lines they hold. Scheduling flexibility needs to change now! I don’t want you to leave, I want you here, I want you happy, I do wonder with the wrong perspective that is impossible for some. Honestly, Alaska Airlines has treated me unbelievably well, times I am almost embarrassed how well, how accommodating they have been… I realize this is only my own personal experience though.

The bid that just posted is the bid no buddy wanted. Pilots didn’t want it, neither did management. I am confident it will frustrate many. It is the direct result of an unsustainable attrition rate.
Thanks for not hurling insults at me for pointing out real issues. I'd like to see AS succeed as well. I don't want to go through the song and dance of switching airlines and giving up seniority. I own a house less than 30 minutes from SEA. Sadly I don't see AS succeeding as an airline unless they learn to stop abusing the pilot group.
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Quote: Terrible… Company won’t publicly admit it, but it is a significant problem that they didn’t expect. We are already starting to soften the summer schedule. Management is upset many here are not seeing the real cost of our new contract. Depending on the outcome of the new SWA contract, AS pilots will likely be the highest payed 737 pilots in the industry. Management sees our likely pay rate come 9/1/23 at $333 an hour… add the 7.5% for our anticipated PBP… which for the average CA will add roughly $30 an hour to their annual compensation and AS CA’s are making $363 an hour. THAT IS ROUGHLY 9% MORE THEN HA or B6 pilots, who virtually have No Bonus add to their hourly rate. Weird how the angry 30 say it’s all about work rules, but really only see straight hourly rate.
Are they going to roll the dice with attrition through summer in wait of 9/1, or look to head it off with improvements outside of contractual provisions? The only way a pure narrowbody operator can retain pilots today (especially with their only pilot bases in extraordinarily high cost-of-living cities) is to offer the highest pay and QOL to offset the lack of widebody potential.

This latest bid is fugly. Can’t make money flying airplanes if you don’t have pilots to fly them…a thinning schedule is a dying schedule.
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Quote: Are they going to roll the dice with attrition through summer in wait of 9/1, or look to head it off with improvements outside of contractual provisions? The only way a pure narrowbody operator can retain pilots today (especially with their only pilot bases in extraordinarily high cost-of-living cities) is to offer the highest pay and QOL to offset the lack of widebody potential.

This latest bid is fugly. Can’t make money flying airplanes if you don’t have pilots to fly them…a thinning schedule is a dying schedule.
This bid is a clear sign of what’s to come. We’re seeing it first hand right now. Grow, or get swallowed up. I’m thinking the second is actually going to happen.
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Quote: This bid is a clear sign of what’s to come. We’re seeing it first hand right now. Grow, or get swallowed up. I’m thinking the second is actually going to happen.
Can you detail what the bid shows?
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Quote: Can you detail what the bid shows?
5 SFO upgrades, the rest is purely FO vacancies.
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They cannot afford to upgrade Captains because they can’t lose the FOs.
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Given the deferred upgrades under a recent LOA, it is actually zero upgrades for a 6 month interval. Probably unique to the current industry as we watch 24 year old widebody CAs at Delta and unfilled CA seats at United.

It is always painful to watch a slow motion train wreck.

Cheers - Rob.
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