AS vs SWA: WWYD?
10-26-2023 | 01:25 AM
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I the same brother….Had 2000 hrs just to get a job flying a 207….2 airlines later it took 9k total with 3000 turb pic and checkairman letter just to get to the Eskimo…And I was only marginally competitive because I had no “ legacy” hook……Crazy what the kids pass through Alaska with on their way to the “show” these days……
My stats were very similar to yours when I got hired.
10-26-2023 | 02:56 AM
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Youre comparing a 2023 contract to a 2016 contract pay wise. Even with that being said, Alaska pilots are still leaving and coming to Southwest. I’ve spoken to many of them, in fact. They all say the same thing, even with your new contract probably the only thing Alaska has on SWA is compensation (barely).
As I said in my original post, that fact alone speaks for itself.
As I said in my original post, that fact alone speaks for itself.
How? I can think of plenty of examples of miserable SWA having nothing good to say about where they work on an offline DH. Or former coworkers who were hired onto SWA and now want to leave “unless the contract is amazing” but I’m at least keeping it factual.
I already mentioned SWA blows away AS for scheduling flexibility and efficiency and either spot being a perfectly fine place to work. It’s nice to have choices. At this point it’s quite the stretch to say SWA is anything but dragging the industry down on pay. I don’t know about you but the reason I go to work is pay. I hope for everyone in the industry things change for the better at SWA and the pilot group is at least paid in line with their peers. As far as extra pay for working hard, best of luck. I doubt the executives will go there willingly.
10-26-2023 | 05:23 AM
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Your anecdotal experience with flying with a former AS pilot speaks for itself?
How? I can think of plenty of examples of miserable SWA having nothing good to say about where they work on an offline DH. Or former coworkers who were hired onto SWA and now want to leave “unless the contract is amazing” but I’m at least keeping it factual.
I already mentioned SWA blows away AS for scheduling flexibility and efficiency and either spot being a perfectly fine place to work. It’s nice to have choices. At this point it’s quite the stretch to say SWA is anything but dragging the industry down on pay. I don’t know about you but the reason I go to work is pay. I hope for everyone in the industry things change for the better at SWA and the pilot group is at least paid in line with their peers. As far as extra pay for working hard, best of luck. I doubt the executives will go there willingly.
How? I can think of plenty of examples of miserable SWA having nothing good to say about where they work on an offline DH. Or former coworkers who were hired onto SWA and now want to leave “unless the contract is amazing” but I’m at least keeping it factual.
I already mentioned SWA blows away AS for scheduling flexibility and efficiency and either spot being a perfectly fine place to work. It’s nice to have choices. At this point it’s quite the stretch to say SWA is anything but dragging the industry down on pay. I don’t know about you but the reason I go to work is pay. I hope for everyone in the industry things change for the better at SWA and the pilot group is at least paid in line with their peers. As far as extra pay for working hard, best of luck. I doubt the executives will go there willingly.
And unlike AS pilots, I don't see this pilot group capitulating at the first offer.
10-26-2023 | 06:10 AM
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Youre comparing a 2023 contract to a 2016 contract pay wise. Even with that being said, Alaska pilots are still leaving and coming to Southwest. I’ve spoken to many of them, in fact. They all say the same thing, even with your new contract probably the only thing Alaska has on SWA is compensation (barely).
Today? No you are full of BS. I looked at the numbers: exactly one (1) pilot left for SWA since CBA 2022.
I have no data on how many people may have left SWA for AS in that time. Probably about the same number, and any such movement either way is probably for a domicile which is a perfectly good reason. However awesome you may think luv is, it's not worth commuting for if another major has a base in your town.
Your koolaid is a bit weak right now, go get a contract and then you can come back here and talk down to the "other" 737 major.
10-26-2023 | 07:08 AM
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Plenty of AS pilots here. How many at AS from SWA? That usually speaks volumes. Yeah, I'll take SWA over AS every day of the week, twice on Saturday, four times on Sunday and eight times over any holiday, warts and all...
And unlike AS pilots, I don't see this pilot group capitulating at the first offer.
And unlike AS pilots, I don't see this pilot group capitulating at the first offer.
for the record, that was not the first offer, we just didn’t waste our time voting on the previous offers.
10-26-2023 | 07:43 AM
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You clearly don’t know how negotiations work. Openers and anything management dangles in front of you before surely are not offers. TA’s and TA’s alone are offers.
10-26-2023 | 08:24 AM
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Great advice….SWA or Alaska are places to hang your hat for sure. And both have opted to go the distance with the 737. SWA is truly a major in that if or when life skids off the road and you have to move far from where you planned to be SWA has a base not far away. Alaska is kind of a major regional in that the entire company is based in essentially the same time zone and half of the company is in one base. Commuting is an awkward concept at Alaska as it is not understood by or supported by 3/4 of the seniority list and 100% of the flight operations management group and by default the corporate leadership. Certainly doable but funky…Super long red-eyes are the growth focus for Alaska. ANC-JFK…long time to be in that 2hr cockpit….UAL is a great choice for just the choice. Not trapped in a 2hr airframe doing 6-7 hr red-eyes. If you end up at Alaska and can’t get any further you will definitely have a good flying job.
10-26-2023 | 08:27 AM
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Shiiitty trips happen at all airlines. Just more prevalent at some.
10-26-2023 | 08:33 AM
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Difference is they have choices…..Where to live, what to fly. When someone has a choice to make it is good to look at the choices they have with the choice they make…..At Alaska we have choices too. Just not the where to live and what to fly choice…Not promoting one over the other
10-26-2023 | 08:51 AM
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Youre comparing a 2023 contract to a 2016 contract pay wise. Even with that being said, Alaska pilots are still leaving and coming to Southwest. I’ve spoken to many of them, in fact. They all say the same thing, even with your new contract probably the only thing Alaska has on SWA is compensation (barely).
As I said in my original post, that fact alone speaks for itself.
As I said in my original post, that fact alone speaks for itself.
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