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Old 05-23-2024, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Base trades make some sense to me, but there's always contention that it "violates seniority".
When I was at ExpressJet we could do base trades and it was a piggy back off the Continental system, which is now in use at United I think. Basically, anyone could initiate a base trade... you say, hey im a SFO CA and I want to trade with an LAX CA. Some LAX CA goes... perfect, I want to be SFO based, and its agreed. Then there is a 30day period where anyone senior to that pilot (in that base) can choose to take their place... basically some senior LAX guy is like... oh wait I want to be SFO based, and he takes that previous LAX spot, and now the 30 day timer restarts... anyone senior to him can now hop on the band wagon. If after 30 days, nobody has taken their spot, then the trade goes through. It honors seniority, and it keeps the base staffing in check. Not sure if that makes vacations a challenge, but it seemed to work fine at ExpressJet, and also works at United... of course, United can pick which meals they want, and we can't figure that one out so... not enough yarn I guess.
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
From what I have seen… Next class 1/5/26
No retirements or attrition? I’d say if the merger gets delayed Or canceled they’ll hire before 18 months.
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Old 05-24-2024, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
From what I have seen… Next class 1/5/26
Just like those 240 downgrades lol!

Vacation buyback for 2025 isn’t because we are grossly overstaffed…
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Originally Posted by ImperialxRat
When I was at ExpressJet we could do base trades and it was a piggy back off the Continental system, which is now in use at United I think. Basically, anyone could initiate a base trade... you say, hey im a SFO CA and I want to trade with an LAX CA. Some LAX CA goes... perfect, I want to be SFO based, and its agreed. Then there is a 30day period where anyone senior to that pilot (in that base) can choose to take their place... basically some senior LAX guy is like... oh wait I want to be SFO based, and he takes that previous LAX spot, and now the 30 day timer restarts... anyone senior to him can now hop on the band wagon. If after 30 days, nobody has taken their spot, then the trade goes through. It honors seniority, and it keeps the base staffing in check. Not sure if that makes vacations a challenge, but it seemed to work fine at ExpressJet, and also works at United... of course, United can pick which meals they want, and we can't figure that one out so... not enough yarn I guess.
I'm sure there's a variety of ways it could work, IIRC OO just ran bids, don't think you had to find a buddy and do a drug deal.

Vacation would need to be negotiated, if not you'd lose what you had and get leftovers.
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
No retirements or attrition? I’d say if the merger gets delayed Or canceled they’ll hire before 18 months.
I think it depends more on Boeing than on the merger. I'm not sure they can achieve merger sufficient synergies soon enough to avoid hiring to staff near-term planned (hoped for) max deliveries.
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Old 05-24-2024, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
Just like those 240 downgrades lol!

Vacation buyback for 2025 isn’t because we are grossly overstaffed…
240 is an exaggeration, if it were to happen, I think the number was 40-100.
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76
240 is an exaggeration, if it were to happen, I think the number was 40-100.
It ain’t happening.
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Old 05-24-2024, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
Just like those 240 downgrades lol!

Vacation buyback for 2025 isn’t because we are grossly overstaffed…
When did I ever say that? Why do you think the union worked out reduced lines? I said 30, management said 100… it’s always the same crap here. I tell people what is happening, what’s on the radar and this is what I get in return.
And yes it could absolutely still happen, I would say a lot less likely now… but we are still fat. Union is wisely trying to preserve every CA position for now pending SLI.

Now for the real reason I got on here: Was just told DOJ has indicted they are not going to block the AS HA merger… 👍👍👍 pretty awesome!

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
When did I ever say that? Why do you think the union worked out reduced lines? I said 30, management said 100… it’s always the same crap here. I tell people what is happening, what’s on the radar and this is what I get in return.
And yes it could absolutely still happen, I would say a lot less likely now… but we are still fat. Union is wisely trying to preserve every CA position for now pending SLI.

Now for the real reason I got on here: Was just told DOJ has indicted they are not going to block the AS HA merger… 👍👍👍 pretty awesome!
That is what I’ve been hearing also.
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Now for the real reason I got on here: Was just told DOJ has indicted they are not going to block the AS HA merger… 👍👍👍 pretty awesome!
What's your source for this? Please provide.

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