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GoodJet 04-10-2024 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3791187)
LAX CAs were avg 19 days off and 79 hr credit. That's excellent from a days off perspective, but if you're looking for money, that's tough.


Anyone know the difference between the yellow reserve days and purple reserve days? Are purple days the ones reserve pilots didn't ask for but got stacked on?

I know, I know, send a DART. Just thought I'd ask.

The purple days are the days that the stack was dumped on someones line AKA "unstacked".

PNWFlyer 04-10-2024 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3791242)
We are already well aware of just how low your standards are.

keep your spirits high and your standards low. Helps with blood pressure and saves money on weekends at the bar.

DenainaPilot 04-11-2024 12:15 AM

As a rather jr pilot (>70%) I was pleasantly surprised with my schedule. Got a line with pretty much what I wanted. Also I was surprised how far down the list the jr line holder was.

polymox 04-11-2024 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by DenainaPilot (Post 3791488)
As a rather jr pilot (>70%) I was pleasantly surprised with my schedule. Got a line with pretty much what I wanted. Also I was surprised how far down the list the jr line holder was.

I am also about 70%, but as a commuter stacking up multiple trips with it has been a complete disaster.

rickair7777 04-11-2024 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by polymox (Post 3791549)
I am also about 70%, but as a commuter stacking up multiple trips with it has been a complete disaster.

That kind of thing usually works well with PBS, get somebody to look at your bid.

Unless you're also shooting for high-credit, weekday only, HI or PVR layovers.

GoodJet 04-11-2024 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 3791215)
as the old saying goes: the problem with their schedule is juniority.

unstacking isn’t the big boogeyman people think it is. Being junior sucks. Get a helmet.

So just some data mining from the results for the base I pay attention to on the Captain side: 64% of the reserve pilots were unstacked for May. 37 pilots on reserve were not. 67 pilots on reserve were unstacked. I think this will become a much bigger issue for the pilot group for July. If the average line value is increased by managment and we see closer to 85+2 hours things could get ugly. It is a holiday month. In addition the majoirty of the block hour increase will be red eye flights. In SEA most of those trips will be ANC or FAI red eye turns and short backs to the east coast. Very few people are talking about this or like you are just outright dismissing it. It is my opinion that July will be a wake up call for many, depending on the ALV and how much the better than 50% pilots want to fly of course.

I chose CA SEA since it is our biggest base and most pilots would like to upgrade at some point.

GoodJet 04-11-2024 12:33 PM

On the FO SEA side:

28 FOs were not unstacked. 69 were.

71% of FOs were unstacked in Seattle.

ShyGuy 04-11-2024 02:51 PM

I speak only for LA CA, but assume other bases are similar. Line bidding, we had 50-65 reserves and line holders who could bid and hold 75-90 hrs inside step trading, more with vacation and/or training. So more pay for line holders, and more reserves at 75 or 79 hr guarantee.


Now?

43 rsvs. The additional pilots have lines, but now all line holders (except a select few who were able to max out) are holding overwhelmingly in the 70-80 hrs credit.


End result? More pilots on lower paying lines, less overall reserves, and less people they have to pay 79 hrs to sit around. PBS seems to have saved the company some money.

Arctichicken 04-11-2024 04:29 PM

I'm not here to start a PBS vs. line bidding argument. It's water under the bridge now.
Historically, PBS was negotiated and implemented during concessionary times. Airline management's wet deream, indeed. Years prior to acquiring VX, Alaska management told the pilot group that PBS would require approximately 10% less pilots.

rickair7777 04-11-2024 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3791786)
I speak only for LA CA, but assume other bases are similar. Line bidding, we had 50-65 reserves and line holders who could bid and hold 75-90 hrs inside step trading, more with vacation and/or training. So more pay for line holders, and more reserves at 75 or 79 hr guarantee.


Now?

43 rsvs. The additional pilots have lines, but now all line holders (except a select few who were able to max out) are holding overwhelmingly in the 70-80 hrs credit.


End result? More pilots on lower paying lines, less overall reserves, and less people they have to pay 79 hrs to sit around. PBS seems to have saved the company some money.

Let's wait and see if the lifestyle crowd can unload their trips to the money crowd.


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