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echelon 10-08-2017 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2443664)
Fighter pilots are almost assuredly on the accomplished and motivated end of the personality spectrum, while regional pilots are all over the map on that.

That's a good point

Peacock 10-08-2017 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2443605)
Does 2000 hours of fighter time make someone better at flying a 737 with another pilot, than say, someone who has been flying regional jets for 2000 hours?

Hahahahahahahaha

waterboy 10-08-2017 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin47 (Post 2443615)
Not everyone has $100,000 to **** away on student loans for a degree in basket weaving. I agree, If you have the time and money then by all means get a degree and educate yourself in something besides aviation. Anything, business, computers, management, etc. That being said. A degree never helped me land a large jet in a 30kt crosswind in a snowstorm at night. But apparently the airlines don't care. They want a degree over flight time and or experience. I'm sure their passengers would love to know that when the chips are down and the weather sucks that you have a 1,500 wonder boy in the right seat with a degree in Psychology.

Just get the degree or enjoy life an airline that doesn’t require one. Don’t ***** because an airline has a standard and you don’t meet them. I went to a state university and it was only $2,000 a year in tuition. Keep making excuses about how it’s $100k, and I can see why you don’t have a degree.

OCCP 10-08-2017 10:52 PM

Alaska Air Hiring
 
The old college degree topic strikes again. If you want a job at the big D, get a degree. If you don’t and you have less than 3k TT, welcome to the second tier airlines!

We all know a degree has no bearing on flying skills, it’s just a requirement for some companies. Heck, if I remember correctly the CA from 3407 had a degree.....

jtsastre 10-08-2017 11:10 PM

Plus, wouldn’t anyone who’s anyone want to educate themselves in something. I agree that the degree doesn’t matter, but at the very least, you’re learning.

My 7-year-old doesn’t want to go to school, should I tell him it doesn’t matter?

PNWFlyer 10-09-2017 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2443531)
I'm running into more and more pilots wondering when airlines are going to drop the 4 year degree. Just get one! Deep down I don't necessarily believe that a 4yr degree makes you successful or not in life but if you got into this career you knew that the good jobs required a degree.

What is worse is United and delta that do not just want a 4 year degree but also a 3.0 GPA or greater.

ImperialxRat 10-09-2017 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 2443836)
What is worse is United and delta that do not just want a 4 year degree but also a 3.0 GPA or greater.

How dare they! Also they want that degree completed in 4 years, not 5.

GearBoy 10-09-2017 07:01 PM

Don't Cry for Me Argentina
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynncore (Post 2441960)
For somebody who has moved on from AS it is pretty classless of you to return to an Alaska forum to lecture, berate, chastise and humiliate the Alaska pilot group over perceived negotiating weaknesses that existed while you were here. While some of your points are valid, now is not the time to spew your venom at a pilot group that A: You were once apart of and B: Put a very solid foot forward in the current negotiating cycle who's outcome is to be decided by a third party. You've moved on, this is no longer your fight.

Wynncompany,

I understand. No one likes to hear that their baby is ugly.

It's very simple. IMO, Nothing's changed there, at Alaskan Airways. The very fact that Alaska is yet again beholden to arbitration says it all. IMHO, Alaska would have already had a negotiated contract if during negotiations:

Alaska pilots did not fly Premium/VSA/time-and-a-half
Alaska pilots did not sell back vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on days off
Alaska pilots did not build their lines up to 117 max

It's an unwritten rule that you do not do things like these during negotiations. Jeff Parker @ American did not do the "right thing" out of the goodness of his heart. He saw the writing on the wall. American pilots spelled it out to him.

You are only as strong as your union. What people forget is that the Union is not an MEC or a negotiating committee. The Union is the pilot in the seat next to you. If he or she is flying premium or VSA during negotiations, the Union is weak. By that definition, the union at Alaska is VERY, VERY weak, then and still now.

Companies, including Alaska, only understand a few things. They understand canceled flights, delayed flights, and increased training costs due to pilots leaving for greener pastures. Right or wrong, you do not get the contract you deserve. You get the contract you demand. Right or wrong, it is the reality under the RLA. (BTW, Where are the completion and on-time rates at Alaska? At Virgin?)

No, things have NOT changed at Alaska. It's the same thing all over again.

No matter the outcome of your arbitration, it'll only decide a few items. Alaska pilots will still be stuck with the same crappy work rules and lack of QoL at an airline with the longest list of unsettled grievances. They'll be facing openers in just two years, openers and section six negotiations with the same disingenuous approach from management.

As far as your ad hominem attacks against me, I will not respond in kind. I never have gone there. I will not start now. I refuse to stoop. However, in response to your latest attack, I will only repeat along the lines of what I said last time:

Take a deep breath. Take another bite of your PayDay candy bar and wash it down with another swig of Kool-aid. Heck, finish them both. Alaska has plenty more where that came from; because, Brad Tilden, the Cooch and Tom Kemp love you long time.

Lastly, Don't worry about me. Living well is the best revenge.

Thrill 10-09-2017 09:05 PM

Yeah, that about covers it.


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HangOn 10-09-2017 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GearBoy (Post 2444204)
Wynncompany,

I understand. No one likes to hear that their baby is ugly.

It's very simple. IMO, Nothing's changed there, at Alaskan Airways. The very fact that Alaska is yet again beholden to arbitration says it all. IMHO, Alaska would have already had a negotiated contract if during negotiations:

Alaska pilots did not fly Premium/VSA/time-and-a-half
Alaska pilots did not sell back vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on days off
Alaska pilots did not build their lines up to 117 max

It's an unwritten rule that you do not do things like these during negotiations. Jeff Parker @ American did not do the "right thing" out of the goodness of his heart. He saw the writing on the wall. American pilots spelled it out to him.

You are only as strong as your union. What people forget is that the Union is not an MEC or a negotiating committee. The Union is the pilot in the seat next to you. If he or she is flying premium or VSA during negotiations, the Union is weak. By that definition, the union at Alaska is VERY, VERY weak, then and still now.

Companies, including Alaska, only understand a few things. They understand canceled flights, delayed flights, and increased training costs due to pilots leaving for greener pastures. Right or wrong, you do not get the contract you deserve. You get the contract you demand. Right or wrong, it is the reality under the RLA. (BTW, Where are the completion and on-time rates at Alaska? At Virgin?)

No, things have NOT changed at Alaska. It's the same thing all over again.

No matter the outcome of your arbitration, it'll only decide a few items. Alaska pilots will still be stuck with the same crappy work rules and lack of QoL at an airline with the longest list of unsettled grievances. They'll be facing openers in just two years, openers and section six negotiations with the same disingenuous approach from management.

As far as your ad hominem attacks against me, I will not respond in kind. I never have gone there. I will not start now. I refuse to stoop. However, in response to your latest attack, I will only repeat along the lines of what I said last time:

Take a deep breath. Take another bite of your PayDay candy bar and wash it down with another swig of Kool-aid. Heck, finish them both. Alaska has plenty more where that came from; because, Brad Tilden, the Cooch and Tom Kemp love you long time.

Lastly, Don't worry about me. Living well is the best revenge.



Yep^^^^^^^^^😩


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