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Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2784987)

So I don’t get it... In another post you act like SWA is about to put Alaska out of business. Then here, our demands on strength. You know what you can do if you want a strong contract, and no it is not complain like a child on a anonymous forum. Do what the union wants you to do. Do your job, do it safely, do it really well. Don’t slow down, or produce a crappy product. Help this company produce that 15% ROE and then you can demand a better contract on strength. Struggling companies do not give out great contracts, strong companies are the only ones that can do that.

Agree 100% brother. Demonstrate exceptional value and then negotiate exceptional contract, in that order.

I will say this, I’d say 11 years of JD Power etc awards, with exceptional safety and on time performance combined with industry leading profit margins, for years and years, WITH a contract that saved money compared to our competitors, AND, with no lag during a contentious SLI,.... that’s a pretty solid hand of cards to lay on the table to start the conversation. IMO

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Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2785120)

Fair enough. You are making a choice though. Downtown Seattle to SeaTac can be 40 minutes or more too. I fly with New FO’s first year pay buying homes in Gig Harbor, Puyallup, Bonney Lake, Lacey. In fairness I think the Gig Harbor guy was second year. New FO’s are buying homes 45 minutes from the airport. They are not buying them in Queen Anne or Clyde Hill though.

AS. DAL/8. SWA
93. 92. 82
130. 141. 118
143. 164. 132

None of those rates have you buying in Downtown Seattle.

I really wish people would stop comparing hourly rates. We have OK hourly rates. WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE IS WORK RULES THAT WILL MAKE THEM PAY LIKE YOUR OTHER 2 EXAMPLE AIRLINES DO! Compare W2s not hourly rates!

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Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2785269)

I am your huckleberry, so from 2005 to mid 2016 what was Delta making. How quickly we forget how bad the industry was 2001-2013...... the worst decade in aviation! There were awards but the industry was on its lips. How long did it take SWA to get a contract during this period. What was the disparity of wages during this time? The industry came full circle in 2014 and now is the time to get what we deserve. However, we will only get it if we are churning out a ton of coin and the economy holds up. Sorry there were only pennies of improvement we could have garnered from 2005-2013.....AMR DAL UAL CAL NWA.... they all sucked and you guys were paying a CA $95 an hour to fly a A320 and you had to start over at year one CA rates once you upgraded. You kidd right, were you and I living in the same reality, even working in the same industry?

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Originally Posted by NotTellin (Post 2785335)

We have almost identical work rules to Delta!

OK W2 2018 406k plus 8,500 in 401k and a fully funded A-plan

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2785346)

We have almost identical work rules to Delta!

OK W2 2018 406k plus 8,500 in 401k and a fully funded A-plan

Our work rules aren’t even in the same ballpark as Delta... Hell, the work rules weren’t even in the same ballpark as VX

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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF (Post 2785347)

Our work rules aren’t even in the same ballpark as Delta... Hell, the work rules weren’t even in the same ballpark as VX

Ok where is the difference... the only one is we have a 5hr average duty guarantee and they have a 5:15 hr average per day guarantee..PENNIES! Go look at there lines. I have..our top 10% is better 90-20% is the exact same and there bottom 20 percent is better then ours. I actually look at there lines each month. But I know you just feel there work rules are better, you feel there lines are better. Go with facts not feelings. What was the average days off in March for DAL 737 SEA? And what was Alaska’s oh 😱. But I feel I feel!

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2785346)

We have almost identical work rules to Delta!

OK W2 2018 406k plus 8,500 in 401k and a fully funded A-plan

What did you block?

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Originally Posted by DangleDunlops (Post 2785350)

What did you block?

I timed out with 1,000 and about 30% of that was premium.
I worked hard but I worked smart too. Why work for straight pay?

I think my average credit per month was just under 125 including vacation

Really, do delta reserves get blocks of hours off or do they get days off, like every other airline even the regionals? Do they have PBS and are able to build their own line? Do they get uniform allowance? (Like a regional). Do they have commutable pairings? Do they stay in the shilo? Do you really compare Alaska to delta? I compare it to sun country.