Where are those numbers from? We have way more pilots in ANC and SEA than what you wrote.


Interesting you'd say ANC becomes the most senior base. Wouldn't the wildcard be the final decision on the SFO base? If that closes, there's only so many vacancies they can create in LAX. Not to mention as the Buses go away even LA Bus would have to close one day. Closing VX bases will leave only one CA base: LAX. This base has already trended most senior and I don't see anything on the horizon (no pun intended) to suggest otherwise. LAX will continue to suffer from forced displacements for the bottom guys in each seat as guys use displacement rights when the Airbus base(s) close up.
Just IMO but until all the Airbuses are gone, LAX Boeing goes senior.

I should have said line holding FOs. It was from the most recent eligibility to bid list. There’s either something wrong on my end or the base position list isn’t available. Anyone who can see that should post the numbers.

You do bring up a very interesting scenario when SFO closes. I’ve already seen my base seniority slowly slide downhill as Airbus FOs grab Boeing 737 slots in Seattle.

And don’t hate the player hate the game. It’s not any one pilots fault. Still good for new hires to realize their seniority is sliding backwards on the 737 and it’s going to take a lot of hiring before that changes.


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Do you see ANC actually growing? My buddies there think they’re dying a slow death with QX grabbing their flying like low-hanging fruit.

No need to worry, those RJ’s are only getting RNAV certified to use those airports as a diversion airport

Obviously, because Ben said so, and he promised nicely!

What’s the worst that can happen!?


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Basically anyone that's looking at AS as their next career move better be sure to do their due diligence. More than half of this pilot group is unhappy. We are living with an outdated contract that reads as if it were written by a half wit from the 70's. The only good thing in it is long term disability and that is the ONLY thing giving most of us hope, that we develop a medical condition that prevents us from attaining a medical and no longer have to eat this AS excrement sandwich.
We have been in section 6 negotiations since our extended contract expired May of last year. Our negotiating committee is getting nowhere and realistically a new contract will not happen for another 5 plus years (because it doesn't benefit the company to get rid of the present contract so they are using classic stall tactics).
The current CBA is unacceptable by any self respecting airline pilots standards. AS is probably the only airline in the WORLD where the flight attendants have a better contract than the pilots, they even get more per diem than us. It truly is a travesty.
If you're still convincing yourself because you live in the PNW and the lure of driving to work is suckering you in STOP and slap yourself, is this why you became an airline pilot? To end your career flying a 737? The regional jet of the 1960's. A plane that has just enough space in the cockpit for your luggage, where it's so loud you have to wear a headset the entire flight and the only place you can stretch if you're unfortunate to be on a transcon is the forward galley.
YOU can do better than this.

Alaska sucks.

How many hours can one assume to work on year one and two at Alaska? Pay for year one and two and also how many days off per month?

I was on reserve and I flew close to guarantee every month. I never went over guarantee. Mostly only captains on reserve are pushed that hard. CS basically prioritizes who is flying the least. So everyone gets just an hour or two under 79 hrs a month.

I’d budget at 90 ish dollars for year one and 130 ish dollars at year two. Basically our rate by the guarantee.

Like I’ve already mentioned AS was saying they would hire 800 when I was hired and they hired 450 or so. So do be careful about the 250-350 numbers being thrown around.

Our lines are hovering right at 385-395 and I don’t see that changing this year maybe next year if we replace the 15% of missing aircraft from 2019 and that 22 growth doesn’t go to the regionals.


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