Didn’t take long for that vacuum of silence on APC to get filled. 😂😂

I’m thinking the new player is Bob. Outstanding rhetorical flourish, but vacuous social and situational awareness.

Ad hominem attacks, name calling, and insults? That’s all you got?

If nothing else, at least you’re consistent

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To be fair, you’ve spent the vast amount of your time on this board insulting all 3500 Alaska pilots as well as our MEC/LEC and NC.

Pot v Kettle…. Kettle v Pot

When did he do any of that?

Answer to “When did he do that?”

The pilots at Alaska have voted for an MEC/LEC and NC that has been forthright and transparent. They have exercised discipline and resolve. Theyve lead and built trust. They have listened and communicated.

And this pilot group has done the same. And, it’s insulting in the extreme to have some outsider jack wagon acting like HE is the arbiter of whether or not we have enough resolve, or got a good enough contract, or whatever his definition might be of “caving” etc.

But Alaska MECs HAVE sold TA's to the pilot group via road show. They HAVE used the BS "time value of money" line to sell a weak TA. The best way to fix this contract IS to start from scratch. Why is it insulting to hear the truth, just because it comes from someone who doesn't work here?

When Alaska bought VX they bought 800 pilots, all outsiders at the time, who for the most part were astonished not only to see how trash the contract was, but that Alaska pilots were proud of it! Frankly, this group of all pilot groups could probably benefit from paying more attention to outsiders' perspectives.

I just hope that some of our Pilots finally see that the payscale proposal from ALPA is a pure beginning of where we need to be NOT a place to negotiate down from especially with ENVOYS announcement today😉… simple

Im well aware of what PREVIOUS MEC’s have done. Is that what we do now? Going forward? Just set expectations, judge all future MEC’s and NC’s by the ones that came before them?

I understand the cynicism, but in all things you have to make judgment calls and evaluations based on current circumstances and individuals. You can’t just go through life relating to other people like “Ive known a lot of *********s in life. Are you an *********? You’re probably an *********. I’m just gonna have to treat you like the ********* you most likely are.”

IMO the problem with previous roadshows/contracts that were SOLD in the past, was that Alaska pilots had leadership that was FAR to chummy with management…. I’d even say by the time it got to road shows, the MEC had been infiltrated.

The rest is subjective opinion. We have, by your own definition, (VXrs, newer hires, etc) who both CURRENTLY occupy leadership here, ARE negotiating, but, also have a vested interest beyond being in management in 6 months.

If you’re gonna equate some rando poster on APC named Gearboy’s opinion a “legitimate outsiders perspective” vs our current leadership and pilot group, I don’t know what to say. I’ll ask the van driver his perspective later this morning and post it. It’s an outsiders perspective as well.

The very presence of VX undermined two contractual cycles here at Alaska. If we didn’t have the dead weight of a non union carrier that paid Captains around $90.00/hr we may have been able to make farther gains. The Company, of course sites VX as “The Competition” and we had to remain competitive by working for a discount. VX did nothing in its entire history to advance this Career. Just a fact.