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01-24-2023, 04:38 PM

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captnate702

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Originally Posted by Squeakygreaser

I agree. I can take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed. Any one who has worked at Allegiant should know that those types of guarantees mean nothing. The way to incentivize the company to have more day trips is to pay a lot more for overnight trips. Then at least the pilots who are losing on the schedule gain on the money. Who gets paid when the company violates the percent of day trips? Does that just get paid out to those that filed a grievance? no thanks.

Hahahaha why negotiate or fight for any work rules then if management is gonna do what they want?? If that’s the case then just give me the rates.

01-24-2023, 04:46 PM

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Hahahaha why negotiate or fight for any work rules then if management is gonna do what they want?? If that’s the case then just give me the rates.

That’s probably not true anymore. They have TA’d the Grievances and System Board of Adjustment sections.

01-24-2023, 04:59 PM

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Hahahaha why negotiate or fight for any work rules then if management is gonna do what they want?? If that’s the case then just give me the rates.

Well, answer the question then. How much does the company pay when they violate it and how do they distribute that money?

01-24-2023, 05:13 PM

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Well, answer the question then. How much does the company pay when they violate it and how do they distribute that money?

We have thousands of grievances for the violation of scheduling pilots according to their preferences in seniority order. As far as I know, none of the affected pilots has been paid a dime for that. That's why I don't want the words guarantee, I want if you do X to this pilot, you pay him this much. It's black and white, the pilot gets compensated and probably doesn't have to file a grievance, but if they do its a straight forward judgement for money.

01-24-2023, 05:17 PM

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Well, answer the question then. How much does the company pay when they violate it and how do they distribute that money?

Could be in the scope section with expedited arbitration like our current wet lease stuff. Could be in scheduling where any base that doesn’t get the min % of day trips is paid an extra amount for the entire BES.

But I’m not the one getting paid $600k to negotiate this contract but for $600k I’m sure I could come up with something.

Of course AR could negotiate that stuff. I just think it’s funny that y’all don’t want this work rule because company won’t follow it but then want to strike over other work rules as if the company will obey those ones because they are supposedly “industry standard.”

Makes perfect sense.

01-24-2023, 05:35 PM

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I agree you could come up with some way to have a set penalty to the company for your day trip guarantee. But then in your scenario the senior guys who got the day trips they wanted in that base get paid the same flat amount that the guy who worked the overnights gets paid, it's less fair.

I think the fairest and simplest way to accomplish this objective is to have the multi-day trips pay more per day than day trips. I wouldn't cause a huge stink if the TA came back with the type of rule you are asking for in it, but I just think it's not the best way to do it. Because it's more complicated, and requires more litigation when it gets broken.

I don't think you want to tell the company what they can't do in a contract, I think you want to tell them what it will cost them to do it.

01-24-2023, 06:23 PM

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There are some on the NC and E Board that will never accept a deal that doesn't include a min % of day trips. I believe them when they say this is a line in the sand that will not be compromised. Time will tell.

a percentage of day trips is not all day trips. Which one are you talking about?

01-24-2023, 06:51 PM

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a percentage of day trips is not all day trips. Which one are you talking about?

Not sure I understand your question?

I don’t know the number that union proposed for min % of day trips. I know that members of NC and E Board have will not accept a contract that doesn’t have a min % of day trips.

01-25-2023, 01:51 AM

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We proposed a min % of trips must be day trips, management rejected it and sources say it hasn't been brought up since. If there is min% of trips must be day trips then that is a difficult thing to "ignore" when its a number that can easily be quantified. Similar to min # of days in a month, etc.

Y'all can poo poo my biggest asks, and my "sample size" but none of you have mentioned any other reason for being here. Margi, tom, tailend, etc. why are you all here if not for the day trips? please give me one reason you are still here? if you don't have other options, i get it. But anybody with options would be crazy to stay here unless they valued the day trips. there is nothing that this place offers to keep somebody here...

Still waiting to hear of any reason why someone would stay here if not for the day trips...

How about bc they’ve invested years of seniority here and done want to start over at the bottom?

01-25-2023, 03:01 AM

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The discussion in this thread has been that the union should lock in day trips because that’s the only thing keeping anyone at allegiant.

Negotiations to achieve a guaranteed min percentage of day trips is completely different and potentially attainable. So long as the company doesn’t see the day trips affecting their ability to adapt to future needs. Just don’t expect the percentage to be very high.

Getting the company to agree to the current percentage of day trips in contract is a fairy tail.