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tom11011 03-14-2023 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3607771)
You’ve been here 7 years and you needed some leaked audio from TT to realize that this place isn’t gonna pay you delta + $1…

please tell me you’re not serious. And if you are serious, I have some serious questions about your understanding of our industry.

No, Allegiant is going to have to pay. There’s no other way forward.

G4slumdod 03-14-2023 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3607771)
You’ve been here 7 years and you needed some leaked audio from TT to realize that this place isn’t gonna pay you delta + $1…

please tell me you’re not serious. And if you are serious, I have some serious questions about your understanding of our industry.

I'll be your new margaritaville. I don't need 7 years. Could have gone anywhere but the dream of G4 kept me hanging on. If I had heard her talk fay 1 I'm don't think I would.have wasted any time. I really thought they had moved her out of a position of taling to pilots but I guess not
She is toxic and maybe just an honest representation of the management here. Anyway, had I heard her I would have made any easy decision. Instead I heard Jude speak and thought thus place gad something to offer...he left a couple years later. He might have been before your time if marg is right and you are the plug in vps.

tom11011 03-15-2023 03:15 AM


Originally Posted by G4slumdod (Post 3607833)
I'll be your new margaritaville. I don't need 7 years. Could have gone anywhere but the dream of G4 kept me hanging on. If I had heard her talk fay 1 I'm don't think I would.have wasted any time. I really thought they had moved her out of a position of taling to pilots but I guess not
She is toxic and maybe just an honest representation of the management here. Anyway, had I heard her I would have made any easy decision. Instead I heard Jude speak and thought thus place gad something to offer...he left a couple years later. He might have been before your time if marg is right and you are the plug in vps.

stop listening to flight attendants

j3cub 03-15-2023 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by G4slumdod (Post 3607833)
I'll be your new margaritaville. I don't need 7 years. Could have gone anywhere but the dream of G4 kept me hanging on. If I had heard her talk fay 1 I'm don't think I would.have wasted any time. I really thought they had moved her out of a position of taling to pilots but I guess not
She is toxic and maybe just an honest representation of the management here. Anyway, had I heard her I would have made any easy decision. Instead I heard Jude speak and thought thus place gad something to offer...he left a couple years later. He might have been before your time if marg is right and you are the plug in vps.

Now we have G. Anderson. Have you talked to him? Cut from the same cloth as Jude and wants to make positive change. Takes time to fix something broken like TRUST, but maybe give him a chance and see what happens...

Margaritaville 03-15-2023 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by G4slumdod (Post 3607833)
I'll be your new margaritaville. I don't need 7 years. Could have gone anywhere but the dream of G4 kept me hanging on. If I had heard her talk fay 1 I'm don't think I would.have wasted any time. I really thought they had moved her out of a position of taling to pilots but I guess not
She is toxic and maybe just an honest representation of the management here. Anyway, had I heard her I would have made any easy decision. Instead I heard Jude speak and thought thus place gad something to offer...he left a couple years later. He might have been before your time if marg is right and you are the plug in vps.

I wasn't talking about Nate when I said what I said [insert previous comment that the mods labled a doxxing attempt, despite him sharing the information that I posted here many times over the years, but which got me banned for 3 days and a final warning]. The guy I was referring to uses his initials in his screen name.

Also, you sir, are no Margaritaville.

tom11011 03-15-2023 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by j3cub (Post 3607974)
Now we have G. Anderson. Have you talked to him? Cut from the same cloth as Jude and wants to make positive change. Takes time to fix something broken like TRUST, but maybe give him a chance and see what happens...

You must be crazy, you are being tricked into allowing them to kick a can down the road as long as they want to. These people are not your friend, they are here to profit off your back which is fine, but we'll be needing our Delta size cut in exchange. If they want to be doing positive things, then they should be doing them. It doesn't take any time at all once you have decided to just do it. In fact, we don't need a new contract just to hope they abide by the existing one which they don't. Enough bullsh*t already.

Greyhound89 03-15-2023 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3607771)
You’ve been here 7 years and you needed some leaked audio from TT to realize that this place isn’t gonna pay you delta + $1…

please tell me you’re not serious. And if you are serious, I have some serious questions about your understanding of our industry.

Right? I truly do not get the idea of us getting delta + anything. We aren't delta, this is a known fact when you submit the application. Do we deserve competitive rates for our segment? Absolutely.

tom11011 03-15-2023 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Greyhound89 (Post 3608296)
Right? I truly do not get the idea of us getting delta + anything. We aren't delta, this is a known fact when you submit the application. Do we deserve competitive rates for our segment? Absolutely.

Stop it. We are committed to industry leading. They have the money.

Greyhound89 03-15-2023 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3608056)
You must be crazy, you are being tricked into allowing them to kick a can down the road as long as they want to. These people are not your friend, they are here to profit off your back which is fine, but we'll be needing our Delta size cut in exchange. If they want to be doing positive things, then they should be doing them. It doesn't take any time at all once you have decided to just do it. In fact, we don't need a new contract just to hope they abide by the existing one which they don't. Enough bullsh*t already.


Reason with me here for a second. Why do we need the same contract as Delta? I truly do not understand this argument, especially in this hiring environment. We fly the same Airbus and soon to be 737's as Delta and that is where the similarities stop. When you were hired by Allegiant, did you happen to hit your head when they told you we're a ULCC? Delta is a premium global airline, we are a small, possibly one day a medium sized North American airline. Don't give me the BS about how I think I'm worth less than somebody at delta, that argument is meant to be had between 20 somethings. We have an entirely different model than them, one that does not necessitate half of their work rules. Our model has value to it and truly will succeed long term, that has been proven time and time again. If you truly want Delta pay, why don't you hurry up and leave while you can? I'm not sure if you fly the line or what, but the general consensus of guys and gals I talk to agree that Delta + anything is lunacy. If dollars are the most valuable thing to you, do the rest of us a favor and jump onto the bottom of the Delta seniority list.

Greyhound89 03-15-2023 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3608297)
Stop it. We are committed to industry leading. They have the money.

Go back and watch AR's latest videos, chat with a member of your Exco, we have abandoned "industry leading". We will absolutely get some aspects of our contract to be leading, others will be standard. If you think that all of the sudden we are the gold standard in 121 aviation, something is off. Seriously, go have a chat with any of the Exco or negotiating team, they will happily tell you that "leading" across the board will not happen.


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