I dont think MG is that stupid. He knows what needs to be done. Why spin your billion dollar baby down the drain just to be spiteful? No. 6 months max is my prediction. But who knows?

Imo M.G. is holding out for another world-wide cataclysmic event that kills pilot hiring at the good airlines. He talks like he can pick up plenty of eastern pilots still on the street. He’s rooting for Putin to rush Ukraine and chain react a massive multi-national military engagement. Remember how perky he got when covid first broke out? He took the mantle, telling us how it is; Do the math people, unprecedented times, we’re all going to have to make sacrifices, your union better get flexible, yadda yadda.. Furlough. Stupid union, it’s your fault. He loved it.

My guess more than six months.

While we know MG isn’t stupid, he is a little odd. Someone from a recurrent class told me he stood in front of them and looked bewildered. He appeared to genuinely be confused as to why the pilots wouldn’t just get on and fly planes. It’s like he doesn’t know how the 3000+ grievances came to be about

Except that Maury really is that spiteful. He cut his own nuts off with the furloughs and previous years of complete warfare with labor. Remember, we're just another ****ing airline now.

Absolutely. He seemed almost gleeful in that early covid memo when he talked about rolling the company back to 2010 levels. You could almost hear the ice cubes clinking in the glass of fine scotch. There was utter glee in Tracy's tone when she got to send her Plan B emails every Friday in the summer of 2020. Have we already forgotten about that?

Allegiant is the kind of company that wins when everyone else is losing. That's Maury's superpower. So of course he's rooting for the world to fall apart again. He ain't right in the head and only cares about himself, his buddies, and his money. This is the guy who created the ValuJet disaster with his callous dirtbag cheapness.

It's been said on this forum and I'll say it again. Maury couldn't care less what happens to the people or how small this airline gets as long as he still maintains a 20% profit margin his shareholders will kiss his ass and regard him as an industry hero. He will find a way to make that happen labor contracts and attrition be damned.

This is going to be a much smaller airline in a couple years.

MG doesn't need a pandemic to maintain 20% margins. With the new 737s coming on line, he will just stop acquiring used 320s accelerate retirements of old aircraft and we will be single 737 fleet. MG is not afraid at all of contraction. He will gladly shrink the airline if it means he maintains his high margins. If we had rational, traditional management like any other airline then yes we would have all the leverage because no CEO could ever tell the board that shrinking the airline is the wise move...but we don't have a traditional CEO or a traditional board. MG has the board in his pocket, its whatever he wants to do and anybody that has worked here for more than a couple years should know that MG will absolutely cut off his nose to spite his face if it means doing it his way.

So SHOULD we have all the leverage? Of course. The market is proving that we have all the leverage but MG is not beholden to the market like other CEOs. I fear we will see massive down grades, displacements (not necessarily a bad thing imo) and line holders sitting reserve for the first time in a decade.

The goal should be the highest NB rates out there, with a guarantee that we never get leap frogged to the bottom half of the industry which is the rumor I heard. Massive increase to retirement. Work rules are gonna get trampled by scheduling no matter what we agree to so I hope we don't waste time and negotiating equity thinking that we are gonna get some magic set of rules that won't be broken by management. Then when they get broken, an arbitrator sides with management which has been happening a lot lately (have we won an arbitration in the last couple years? was the last win PBS in mid-2020?).

No arbitrator can ignore rates. Management cannot ignore rates. Pay up. In fact management is gonna have to pay us more because we know by now that any work rules we get are useless. I just convinced myself that we should always be the highest paid NB in the industry to compensate for the fact that all of our work rules are meaningless.

100%

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I am so tired of hearing all the talk about thousands and thousands of grievances. I know EXCO is doing what they can, but let's not kid ourselves, its not like anybody at management cares about all the grievances. We are supposedly in arbitration every month, but we haven't a lot to show for those arbitrations in a while. Not trying to play monday morning qb, but i also don't need to hear about the thousands of grievances on our fb page and AR's videos its starting to smell like the EXCO is trying to convince themselves that this is gonna work for us in the end. We just haven't seen results in a long time for the arbitrations every month strategy...

Screw grievances. Screw arbitrations. Just show me the money in our next contract.

exactly what management is saying in recurrent classes. I can’t disagree more. Many of us, including me have several thousands of dollars held up in grievances. I know we want new rates but quality of life needs to come in somewhere and I don’t want it 5 years down the line in a new contract

Management is telling recurrent that we will be paid top tier rates and retirement? that's the first i've heard of this. Even if we get quality of life, what makes you think management will follow the rules or that an arbitrator will enforce the rules?

I also thought i had thousands in pending grievances but that all disappeared in the sap arbitration that we inexplicably lost. exco said that was a for sure win for us and we lost. After that arbitration, i am convinced that what we need to is top tier rates and retirement ($$$$$) because that is something management and/or an arbitrator cannot take away from us. i don't blame the exco, it should have been no brainer. can we go to court like they did for the pbs award? how could we not win that arbitration is beyond me.

besides, even with the contract taking 3 years, the new contract will get here sooner than your "possible" arbitration award for your thousands in grievances. exco says we are in arbitration every month, but we only hear about three arbitrations for all of 2021 and all three were losers (VFN, segment basis and sap). why do we only three arbitrations in a year? i heard we were in arbitration last week for reserve day pay; i am glad we go to arbitration when we can but how long is it realistically gonna take the union to arbitrate all of these grievances??

All good points and I’m sorry to hear that you lost a lot of money on the SAP ruling, I too lost a ton on that. However, this is a flip from anything else in our history in aviation where the pilot group should fight to get a contract that is 100% on par with our peers who flies the 320/737. The days of Maury saying we can’t afford it are over, Maury can afford to pay us SWA/DAL/AA/UAL rates and rules are over. We are too big to just push aside 3000+ grievances and cram down a **** brick covered in gold contract just to attract pilots. Pay up, come to the table, and staff your 73s.