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9easy 03-31-2022 09:19 AM

I have friends at every major, and at my seniority level they tend to make about $20-50k more than I do. They also pickup green slips, work 4-5 day trips, frequent redeyes, etc. I worked 360 hours, had zero hotel nights, zero EDTC delays, zero deadheads, (training in base), eat my own food every days and sleep in the same time zone. Everyone can put a price and value on that, and for some people it’s worth it. Some people just want an easy part time job. If you want more money, then apply at Delta and you can hold LGA captain in 6 months. Enjoy that. Eventually we will get a new contract that will put the pay rates back to the market rate.

ReverseZ 03-31-2022 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 3397870)
I have friends at every major, and at my seniority level they tend to make about $20-50k more than I do. They also pickup green slips, work 4-5 day trips, frequent redeyes, etc. I worked 360 hours, had zero hotel nights, zero EDTC delays, zero deadheads, (training in base), eat my own food every days and sleep in the same time zone. Everyone can put a price and value on that, and for some people it’s worth it. Some people just want an easy part time job. If you want more money, then apply at Delta and you can hold LGA captain in 6 months. Enjoy that. Eventually we will get a new contract that will put the pay rates back to the market rate.

Seriously? Did you read the contract comparison? This is about so much more than just pay rates...

captnate702 03-31-2022 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by ReverseZ (Post 3397889)
Seriously? Did you read the contract comparison? This is about so much more than just pay rates...

I see your first post. Remember, there a lot of senior pilots here at allegiant that are oblivious to the work rules - especially those on reserve. Senior pilots here in our fragmented bases are pretty oblivious to how those junior pilots can get jerked around, especially Florida pilots sitting reserve.

Biggest thing missing from our current contract is the retirement. it is absurd that direct contribution is not in there and at least 15%. I think the contract comparison made that crystal clear, whoever negotiated our last contract should be embarrassed as h#ll to have such a meager retirement.

contract comparison had some glaring shortcomings that need to get fixed. on a separate note, i was curious why Alaska wasn't included in it??

Margaritaville 03-31-2022 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 3397870)
I have friends at every major, and at my seniority level they tend to make about $20-50k more than I do. They also pickup green slips, work 4-5 day trips, frequent redeyes, etc. I worked 360 hours, had zero hotel nights, zero EDTC delays, zero deadheads, (training in base), eat my own food every days and sleep in the same time zone. Everyone can put a price and value on that, and for some people it’s worth it. Some people just want an easy part time job. If you want more money, then apply at Delta and you can hold LGA captain in 6 months. Enjoy that. Eventually we will get a new contract that will put the pay rates back to the market rate.

"I'll gladly pay $50,000 a year to be home every night and bring my own food to work. If you don't like that, leave".

Another perfect example of why Allegiant pilots can't have nice things.

Management is listening.

tailendcharlie 03-31-2022 11:13 AM

Yeah, well, I wouldn’t make any career decisions predicated on a base located anywhere other than LAS/PHX & FL. After years of running this place like Great Lakes with jets, the chickens are coming home to roost.

tom11011 03-31-2022 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3397927)
"I'll gladly pay $50,000 a year to be home every night and bring my own food to work. If you don't like that, leave".

Another perfect example of why Allegiant pilots can't have nice things.

Management is listening.

It's all in the negotiating committee's hands. The pilots, senior/junior and content/not-content don't really have anything to do with what happens next. Whatever the committee presents to the pilot group will be ratified regardless of the number of pilots who claim they voted no lol. Pressure needs to be applied to the committee to ensure a sub standard TA is not presented. The committee is open to hearing from the pilot group.

9easy 03-31-2022 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3397927)
"I'll gladly pay $50,000 a year to be home every night and bring my own food to work. If you don't like that, leave".

Another perfect example of why Allegiant pilots can't have nice things.

Management is listening.

Sorry, I know you love to be nihilistic, and paint doom and gloom.. maybe to scare away people from coming, maybe so management can see, I don't really care. Not every post has to be a wallow in self misery and complaining.

You can talk about the positive aspects of a job without giving away bargaining leverage. I'm fully aware the work rules suck.

TangoIndiaMike1 04-01-2022 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3397134)
Basic summary, the allegiant contract sucks compared to every other major pilot group. It lags far behind in all respects. But everyone already knew that.

But the union "promises to bring you the best agreement that we believe is available to the pilot group in the current environment" so we have that going for us, which is nice.


Oh the reason I asked was because I never see Allegiant on any other company or union contract comparison. Pay rates are on airline pilot central but comparing the rest of the soft pay, work rules, and benefits is a little harder.


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AligatorAviator 04-01-2022 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 3398291)
Oh the reason I asked was because I never see Allegiant on any other company or union contract comparison. Pay rates are on airline pilot central but comparing the rest of the soft pay, work rules, and benefits is a little harder.


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There's nothing out there because those things don't exist at this dumpster fire.

G4FO 04-01-2022 06:42 AM

I've heard some "rumors" that management is 100% planning on the industry taking a nosedive, legacies furloughing. So, no deal anytime soon, plan for the worst, hope for the best.


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