captnate702

Andrew blustered around and used a bunch of words without actually saying anything.

tom11011

As it stands today, the majority of the pilot group is not willing to just take just pay and retirement. They want the contract reworked. I don't know what you would find accpetable to just call it a day and conclude negotiations to fit within the leverage timeline, but its likely you are senior enough to where the work rules will NEVER apply to you. I'm guessing you will never have to worry about being on reserve, or being an instructor, being TDY'd, etc.. But the majority of pilot group is not that lucky, they need the improvements in quality of life and voted accordingly.

captnate702

I'm just looking at the results: HA, AL, DL, UA, AA, WN, B6, even NK were able to get some huge gains during the generational leverage. We unfortunately did not. That sucks.

I still sit reserve some months (not often). Obviously the reserve shifts are terrible and need to be gone. But I do think Andrew has given us all a bunch of bolony when he says we have to re write the contract because the company is always violating the contract. If that is true, then why do lose all the arbitrations about the management not following the contract?

The last arbitraiton was a perfect example: andrew was telling pilots, I had a steward tell an FO i was with at an outstation that we should jumpseat home instead of stay the night - a union rep told the FO that after the union rep spoke with andrew. I use this example to ask a simple question: what are these precious work rules, list them, that are worth $50k-$150k in compensation, LTD protection and retirement? I'm serious, that's the problem with Andrew and you: ya'll never give specifics, just broad generalizations that are inaccurate most of the time so that Andrew can never be held accountable (he's an experienced politician that way).

Reserve rules, especially the RAP shifts are a major problem. Long call reserve rules should be better too. But what else in reserve is worth an extra 2-3 years of waiting?

pipercub

We are still way understaffed for the current fleet, GA in his email on why the bonus was so low said the main reason was aircraft utilization is down 20%. It's just a ballpark number but if they increased the utilization of the fleet that much that would be around 250 more pilots than current staff.

tailendcharlie

It (work rules) doesn't have to be either/or.
What's achievable now and what's the opportunity cost of running this out to the bitter end in 2-3 more years to get released? Management just isn't going to retool the whole way the airline operates to fit a pilot contract. The war of attrition strategy failed. Management comes out way ahead in a waiting game.

Jim Rockford

We are the laughing stock of pilot groups. I bet Aeroflot pilots getted treated better than us.

tom11011

At some point that will change. This place has the potential to be one of the best jobs out there.

captnate702

We are also the laughing stock because we of our own disorganization. Ask how many people showed up to the BIG picketing events for Super Bowl week? Hint: 12.

that’s how many people were bused from the hotel to headquarters. I’m sure management will treat us even better knowing that 12 whole people showed up to a union event to show the executives our unity.

captnate702

All he did was repeat who our peers are (DL, UA, AA, B6 and AS). And then he said something about unstacking which still seems like his favorite pet project.

tom11011

That’s not all he said.