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SilkBra 10-09-2010 06:46 AM

It's funny to see all the people jealous of Allegiant on this thread. Wasn't it American that overran a runway in Jamaica and destroyed a jet a few months back?

Dozens hurt when American jet overshoots runway in Jamaica | Dallas - Fort Worth News | wfaa.com | Local News

You know, it is just a matter of time before some people really get hurt on an AA jet.

How many MD80s did unsafe Allegiant ground in 2008? Zero. How many did a safe, quality airline like AA ground in 2008? Oh right, it was in the hundreds. Did Allegiant go off the runway in Savannah the other week? Oh no, it was Delta actually.

Which darling cargo airline destroyed an MD11 a few months back? Oh right, that was Fedex.

Which web-board darling destroyed a 747 the other month? Oh right, that was UPS.

So please tell me which airline is perfect and the clear winner to be employed at in the future? You people are simply jealous that Allegiant is profitable, growing, awarding higher pay rates, and pilots at Allegiant are getting fast upgrades. It drives you nuts.

johnso29 10-09-2010 07:00 AM

It really is sad how people are dogging on Allegiant for a fire that could happen to any of us. Not to mention they got the fire put out, and NO ONE was hurt or killed. I say KUDOS to the crew for keeping the situation under control.

In regards to the over run incident with the charter flight, how can anyone blame that on the crew? Do we even know what numbers they got from the company? How do we know they weren't inaccurate? It's extremely possible that the people who loaded the aircraft gave the crew inaccurate information that lead them to believe they were LIGHTER then they actually were.

I think a lot of pilots forget how much we put our lives in the hands of other people everyday. Mechanics, rampers, gate agents, dispatchers, load control, air traffic contol, and the list goes on folks. Rather then try to crucify the pilots, lets praise them for breaking the chain and preventing a tragedy. I for one am much happier to see that no one was hurt or killed, rather then horrific alternative.

BigTime 10-09-2010 09:10 AM

Thanks for the kudos, Jonso, but it sounds like this latest incident was a stupid mistake by the crew that caused a tailpipe fire. Of course this is just rumor and hearsay, but sounds like it wasn't nearly as bad as the media made it sound.

johnso29 10-09-2010 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by BigTime (Post 882315)
Thanks for the kudos, Jonso, but it sounds like this latest incident was a stupid mistake by the crew that caused a tailpipe fire. Of course this is just rumor and hearsay, but sounds like it wasn't nearly as bad as the media made it sound.

Well I hope the crew didn't cause it, but even if they did we ALL make mistakes. It's what makes us human. The most important thing is that no one was hurt. I'd be interested to hear what happened once the investigation is done.

Big3win 10-09-2010 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 882268)
It really is sad how people are dogging on Allegiant for a fire that could happen to any of us. Not to mention they got the fire put out, and NO ONE was hurt or killed. I say KUDOS to the crew for keeping the situation under control.

In regards to the over run incident with the charter flight, how can anyone blame that on the crew? Do we even know what numbers they got from the company? How do we know they weren't inaccurate? It's extremely possible that the people who loaded the aircraft gave the crew inaccurate information that lead them to believe they were LIGHTER then they actually were.

I think a lot of pilots forget how much we put our lives in the hands of other people everyday. Mechanics, rampers, gate agents, dispatchers, load control, air traffic contol, and the list goes on folks. Rather then try to crucify the pilots, lets praise them for breaking the chain and preventing a tragedy. I for one am much happier to see that no one was hurt or killed, rather then horrific alternative.

Just wait until you hear the facts about the charter incident.................................... That is why they are catching so much grief! It will floor you.

MD80driver2day 10-09-2010 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Big3win (Post 882508)
Just wait until you hear the facts about the charter incident.................................... That is why they are catching so much grief! It will floor you.

Yes it will.... But they're not any different than the NWA crew that overflew MSP or the crew that landed at the wrong airport in SD or the many other major airline crews that have landed on a taxiway.

Many of you run with these Allegiant incidents because it's Allegiant and for no other reason.

I'm sure this crew will see the same fate as those other crews.

DYNASTY HVY 10-09-2010 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 882093)
Since you brought it up, would you care to explain what happened to the 767 that landed on taxiway M in ATL? Care to explain what the Feds figured out reproducing the event? Care to talk about where those pilots are now? :rolleyes:

talk about comparing apples and oranges.

What was the deal with the taxiway incident ?
No one was hurt in this Allegiant incident and it can happen to anyone at any given time.
These are machines after all and machines do have problems on occasion.




Ally

Stratosphere 10-09-2010 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by MD80driver2day (Post 882520)
Yes it will.... But they're not any different than the NWA crew that overflew MSP or the crew that landed at the wrong airport in SD or the many other major airline crews that have landed on a taxiway.

Many of you run with these Allegiant incidents because it's Allegiant and for no other reason.

I'm sure this crew will see the same fate as those other crews.

Actually the taxiway landings the crews for both airlines in the recent 2 that I can remember did not lose their jobs just went back for additional training if I remember it correctly. Me personally I find a taxiway landing to be a more dangerous situation than a wrong airport landing but I am not the judge or jury on these matters. A tailpipe torch can and has happened before to a lot of airlines. Usually on the DC-9 types it is usually mechanics that do it because they usually do not use checklists and start engines from memory and hold the start switch get it to max motoring and throw the fuel lever and remember Oh I need ignition and reach up and POW..But I have seen pilots do it too although not very often. I think you guys should cut the G4 guys some slack you don't have to look far to see mistakes in your own house.

Big3win 10-09-2010 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by MD80driver2day (Post 882520)
Yes it will.... But they're not any different than the NWA crew that overflew MSP or the crew that landed at the wrong airport in SD or the many other major airline crews that have landed on a taxiway.

Many of you run with these Allegiant incidents because it's Allegiant and for no other reason.

I'm sure this crew will see the same fate as those other crews.

I don't care if it is Allegiant or Acme Air. I stated wait until you hear the facts. Some mistakes are intentional others are not.

Swedish Blender 10-09-2010 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by SilkBra (Post 882258)
Which darling cargo airline destroyed an MD11 a few months back? Oh right, that was Fedex.

Which web-board darling destroyed a 747 the other month? Oh right, that was UPS.

Destroyed a MD11 and 747. How about lost 2 crew members in each accident.

I don't think you'll find a UPS or FedEx pilot jealous of your pay or upgrade.
Way to throw those accidents in to try and make yourself feel better. Class act.


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