Originally Posted by Swedish Blender

Destroyed a MD11 and 747. How about lost 2 crew members in each accident.

I don't think you'll find a UPS or FedEx pilot jealous of your pay or upgrade.
Way to throw those accidents in to try and make yourself feel better. Class act.

Originally Posted by captnmajic

Any of this reminiscent of a blast from the past know as ValuJet? At the current rate of incidents I give them 12-18 months before they have a fatal accident that results in the deaths of many people. Hopefully the FAA is watching and will take necessary steps to break the accident chain.

Originally Posted by Stratosphere

Actually the taxiway landings the crews for both airlines in the recent 2 that I can remember did not lose their jobs just went back for additional training if I remember it correctly. Me personally I find a taxiway landing to be a more dangerous situation than a wrong airport landing but I am not the judge or jury on these matters. A tailpipe torch can and has happened before to a lot of airlines. Usually on the DC-9 types it is usually mechanics that do it because they usually do not use checklists and start engines from memory and hold the start switch get it to max motoring and throw the fuel lever and remember Oh I need ignition and reach up and POW..But I have seen pilots do it too although not very often. I think you guys should cut the G4 guys some slack you don't have to look far to see mistakes in your own house.

Originally Posted by Stratosphere

I am not a pilot (well at least commercial) But will go out on a limb and say he got defensive that Allegient was being attacked without the facts and that all airlines have accidents and incidents. I don't think it was personal. I could always be wrong though.

Originally Posted by SilkBra

There you go.

Originally Posted by Big3win

I don't care if it is Allegiant or Acme Air. I stated wait until you hear the facts. Some mistakes are intentional others are not.

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

I think the point people are trying to make about Allegiant is, for a company that has limited flight schedules/hours flown, there seems to be a rash of incidents/bad press lately. Is it all bad luck or is there something deeper?

And for those of you who threw other companies/airman who have errored/perished under the bus as a way of propping yourselve's up (for example ... "well so and so crashed a perfectly good jet last month"), shame on you. That is the lowest of lows. You know what they say, Karma is a itch.

Originally Posted by johnso29

It really is sad how people are dogging on Allegiant for a fire that could happen to any of us. Not to mention they got the fire put out, and NO ONE was hurt or killed. I say KUDOS to the crew for keeping the situation under control.

In regards to the over run incident with the charter flight, how can anyone blame that on the crew? Do we even know what numbers they got from the company? How do we know they weren't inaccurate? It's extremely possible that the people who loaded the aircraft gave the crew inaccurate information that lead them to believe they were LIGHTER then they actually were.

I think a lot of pilots forget how much we put our lives in the hands of other people everyday. Mechanics, rampers, gate agents, dispatchers, load control, air traffic contol, and the list goes on folks. Rather then try to crucify the pilots, lets praise them for breaking the chain and preventing a tragedy. I for one am much happier to see that no one was hurt or killed, rather then horrific alternative.