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Xbone 05-21-2014 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by The Ocho Libre (Post 1648350)
And just to really make the point of how hard they tried to rig the results of the TDY bid consider this point. Management told all the pilots that if they volunteered for TDY, they could bid preference as to where they went presumably in seniority order but not likely, however, if they didn't volunteer, they would be sent wherever the company wanted to send them with no pref allowed. This was an obvious attempt at getting pilots to "volunteer" so management could back their claim in an investor meeting that, "the pilots WANT TDY, they volunteered for it", when in fact, nearly all pilots that "volunteered" for TDY only did so because they knew their seniority would likely result in TDY anyway, so they "volunteered" in a desperate attempt to at least get a TDY base within 1000 miles of home. Those that didn't volunteer were subsequently, probably intentionally (to make a point for next bid), sent all the way across the country for TDY. IWA pilots were sent to PIE instead of LAX etc. No matter what, pilots were going to get TDY'd, but the way they designed the TDY's was all an attempt to make it look like pilots want TDY and therefore, volunteered for it. Clever, except that almost no one volunteered anyway. That won't look good next time management is asked if pilots like TDY. So, they IMO, intentionally pushed pilots across the country to make it painful so that next month, they will "volunteer" and management will again, be able to back up their claim that pilots like TDY's. Behavior like this is exactly why we unionized, filed a lawsuit and an injunction.

Laughable. The proverbial Hobson’s choice, at its worst.

labbats 05-21-2014 11:43 AM

Other than to force a TDY preference why else wouldn't you have the TDY bid choices go as follows?

-NO TDY
-PIE
-MYR
-LAX
-PGD

Instead it was an all or nothing ploy to make a point without regard for anyone's family or personal life. Bid TDY and get a base. Don't bid TDY and roll the dice. Just incredible.

labbats 05-21-2014 11:46 AM

On another note... we have 24 newhires and another 25 coming up next month? How does anyone know that? Not one email or correspondence from management regarding hiring. Not one single upgrade announced.

I'm no rocket scientist but 49 newhires should have 25+ upgrades.

The Ocho Libre 05-21-2014 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by labbats (Post 1648365)
Other than to force a TDY preference why else wouldn't you have the TDY bid choices go as follows?

-NO TDY
-PIE
-MYR
-LAX
-PGD

Instead it was an all or nothing ploy to make a point without regard for anyone's family or personal life. Bid TDY and get a base. Don't bid TDY and roll the dice. Just incredible.

Agree completely. It would be incredibly simple to set up a bid as you describe above. The ONLY reason I can imagine not to set up the bid in that manner was to force pilots to look like they were volunteering. A purely political move on management's part in an attempt to win an argument. And these pilots will now, again, be forced away from home for 22 days strait, unable to commute with their single day off blocks. Makes me recall one of our managers responsible for this when he came onboard and wrote in a letter to the pilots, "family first." Yeah right.

belliott 05-21-2014 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by labbats (Post 1648370)
On another note... we have 24 newhires and another 25 coming up next month? How does anyone know that? Not one email or correspondence from management regarding hiring. Not one single upgrade announced.

I'm no rocket scientist but 49 newhires should have 25+ upgrades.

I've been told that there is an upgrade class in session at the moment.... I don't know how many. Some of the folks from the Jan. class have been sent home for the moment to allow the upgrades to finish sim training asap.

CLMP 05-21-2014 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by The Ocho Libre (Post 1648374)
Makes me recall one of our managers responsible for this when he came onboard and wrote in a letter to the pilots, "family first." Yeah right.

He meant HIS family, not yours. Sorry for the confusion....

Thunderpig 05-23-2014 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by labbats (Post 1648370)
On another note... we have 24 newhires and another 25 coming up next month? How does anyone know that? Not one email or correspondence from management regarding hiring. Not one single upgrade announced.

I'm no rocket scientist but 49 newhires should have 25+ upgrades.

Info i heard were 10 sched for Aug...

The Chow 05-30-2014 05:00 AM

Any word of when the next class will start?

Thunderpig 05-30-2014 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1654567)
Any word of when the next class will start?

Supposed to be August along with an upgrade class of 10...new class is already being told there will be a three week min break before sims

The Chow 05-31-2014 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Thunderpig (Post 1654672)
Supposed to be August along with an upgrade class of 10...new class is already being told there will be a three week min break before sims

Ouch. Why the delay for sims?


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