Allegiant Pilots Ratify New Contract
08-03-2016, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Someone did because doesn't this thing go out that far, and it doesn't even match what United has today. To compare it to a four year old amendable delta contract (rates only) is short sighted since I think it's assumed that delta will probably have the highest paid pilots in the not too distant future to remain there for some time I would guess.
It was an improvement but not pattern bargaining or raising the bar so much. I was a bit surprised it got as high a yes percentage as it did in this environment. Not bashing the Allegiant pilots, it's theirs to vote on. It makes me nervous that our guys at spirit might consider a similar offer to live under for years when we see what southwest and delta have here shortly is going to crush it.
It was an improvement but not pattern bargaining or raising the bar so much. I was a bit surprised it got as high a yes percentage as it did in this environment. Not bashing the Allegiant pilots, it's theirs to vote on. It makes me nervous that our guys at spirit might consider a similar offer to live under for years when we see what southwest and delta have here shortly is going to crush it.
08-03-2016, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Someone did because doesn't this thing go out that far, and it doesn't even match what United has today. To compare it to a four year old amendable delta contract (rates only) is short sighted since I think it's assumed that delta will probably have the highest paid pilots in the not too distant future to remain there for some time I would guess.
It was an improvement but not pattern bargaining or raising the bar so much. I was a bit surprised it got as high a yes percentage as it did in this environment. Not bashing the Allegiant pilots, it's theirs to vote on. It makes me nervous that our guys at spirit might consider a similar offer to live under for years when we see what southwest and delta have here shortly is going to crush it.
It was an improvement but not pattern bargaining or raising the bar so much. I was a bit surprised it got as high a yes percentage as it did in this environment. Not bashing the Allegiant pilots, it's theirs to vote on. It makes me nervous that our guys at spirit might consider a similar offer to live under for years when we see what southwest and delta have here shortly is going to crush it.
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08-04-2016, 06:01 AM
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What is the difference between the front end of a legacy Airbus, MD80, or 757 and an LCC or ULCC version of the same plane? Higher margins should mean they can actually pay the ULCC more right? Also the fact that movement to a widebody later in the career is not currently available should mean the best paid narrow body pilots in the industry.
This rationale that because it's not a legacy the pilots should not be paid the same is nonsense. It's only used to manage and set expectations.
This rationale that because it's not a legacy the pilots should not be paid the same is nonsense. It's only used to manage and set expectations.
08-04-2016, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
What is the difference between the front end of a legacy Airbus, MD80, or 757 and an LCC or ULCC version of the same plane? Higher margins should mean they can actually pay the ULCC more right? Also the fact that movement to a widebody later in the career is not currently available should mean the best paid narrow body pilots in the industry.
This rationale that because it's not a legacy the pilots should not be paid the same is nonsense. It's only used to manage and set expectations.
This rationale that because it's not a legacy the pilots should not be paid the same is nonsense. It's only used to manage and set expectations.
There are several obvious reasons why UPS and FX pilots make more than Delta, and Delta pilots make more than LCCs. The most simple reason is Delta has massively more revenue than Spirit, and can afford to offset lower operating margins with that large revenue. If Spirit had the same margins as Delta, the stock price would be even worse than it already is.
08-04-2016, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
This is why pilots are pilots, and not accountants.
There are several obvious reasons why UPS and FX pilots make more than Delta, and Delta pilots make more than LCCs. The most simple reason is Delta has massively more revenue than Spirit, and can afford to offset lower operating margins with that large revenue. If Spirit had the same margins as Delta, the stock price would be even worse than it already is.
There are several obvious reasons why UPS and FX pilots make more than Delta, and Delta pilots make more than LCCs. The most simple reason is Delta has massively more revenue than Spirit, and can afford to offset lower operating margins with that large revenue. If Spirit had the same margins as Delta, the stock price would be even worse than it already is.
08-04-2016, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
This is why pilots are pilots, and not accountants.
There are several obvious reasons why UPS and FX pilots make more than Delta, and Delta pilots make more than LCCs. The most simple reason is Delta has massively more revenue than Spirit, and can afford to offset lower operating margins with that large revenue. If Spirit had the same margins as Delta, the stock price would be even worse than it already is.
There are several obvious reasons why UPS and FX pilots make more than Delta, and Delta pilots make more than LCCs. The most simple reason is Delta has massively more revenue than Spirit, and can afford to offset lower operating margins with that large revenue. If Spirit had the same margins as Delta, the stock price would be even worse than it already is.
I'd be interested to see what the revenue per seat mile a ulcc does in comparison to a legacy and then figure how that equates divided amongst the pilot group(s)
Is there a way to figure out how many seat miles an average pilot flys at a given company on a quarterly or annualized basis?
That would make or break your argument.
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