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Originally Posted by billyho
(Post 2315488)
United just signed AWAC to fly 65 50 Seaters.:D And now they want CommutAir to operate up to 60.
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Originally Posted by billyho
(Post 2315491)
Or a big Carrot Pay raise to all those here with all the retirements coming in exchange for the WO's to fly the 100 seat jets.
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Originally Posted by LuckyNow
(Post 2315630)
The problem as I see it with group 1 is that while the pay scales are attractive for the company, growing group 1 creates a perpetual training bubble. Even with only 20 in the fleet, the turnover is high. With a more sizable fleet of group 1 airplanes, the movement at the top will dictate that guys will be able to bid to group 2 by year 2. Any cost savings the company might have gained from those pay scales is washed away in training cycle costs. I say that if they come selling higher group 1 pay in the next round in exchange for something else, we shouldn't give them back anything more than those greasy biscuits on our breakfast plates, because it'll benefit them too.
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Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 2315749)
School house is budgeted to run at 100% at all times. Doesn't matter
Exactly. Not a slight to lucky but pilots tend to over exaggerate our costs to the company. If they cared about training bubbles they wouldn't have 4 different pay bands. |
Originally Posted by Sam York
(Post 2315743)
Not with my vote.
Unfortunately a majority of our guys don't feel the same way. If a TA comes out with massive pay raises in exchange for relaxing scope rules I have no faith in this pilot group to turn it down. |
Our WO's are paying guys in the right seat $60k to start. Compare that to $70k in the 190/AB.
The Dash 8 CAs are making upwards of $130k with their overrides and triple premium pay...that is a 30 seat airplane!!! They can pay less at mainline on the smaller planes and have ZERO issues with recruiting...in fact I'm kinda surprised the company hasn't approached us to ask for a 76 and below wage of the current RJ rates with a long term non-negotiable rate lock. After all people are going to Frontier with their $35/hr starting wage. Lots of pre-merger guys came to Airways with the same starting wage. Labor costs are no longer in play, now it's who pays the most that gets the pilots. Incredible turn of events in just a year. |
Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 2315794)
Our WO's are paying guys in the right seat $60k to start. Compare that to $70k in the 190/AB.
The Dash 8 CAs are making upwards of $130k with their overrides and triple premium pay...that is a 30 seat airplane!!! They can pay less at mainline on the smaller planes and have ZERO issues with recruiting...in fact I'm kinda surprised the company hasn't approached us to ask for a 76 and below wage of the current RJ rates with a long term non-negotiable rate lock. After all people are going to Frontier with their $35/hr starting wage. Lots of pre-merger guys came to Airways with the same starting wage. Labor costs are no longer in play, now it's who pays the most that gets the pilots. Incredible turn of events in just a year. True but the problem with cheap mainline pilots is they also come with mainline FAs, gate agents, mechanics, rampers, dispatchers, management, instructors, etc. who all have mainline benefits, work rules and pay rates. Even if we could pay pilots less than the regionals it would be cheaper to operate them there. Don't get me wrong I want all the mainline flying we can get, it's just there's a lot more going on which we forget sometimes. |
Do they hand out the aircraft/bases on day 1?
Is class seniority based on age? |
Originally Posted by TOGAANG
(Post 2315715)
Well that is because our AA guy went there and is changing their gameplan then. When I went through training there in Oct 15 they said they were moving away from Regional aircraft but it looks like that has changed.
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Originally Posted by Shindo
(Post 2315904)
You left United to come to AA?
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