I don't fly it, but it's only based out of PHL. On the US side, everyone was trained International, so that I designation on the 190 is just a carryover from the time before the sides got shuffled together.

I'm from the AA side so I don't know this for sure, but I'd imagine there are a ton of pilots commuting to PHL out of PIT.

You nailed it.

I'd strongly consider an LAA base for the reason that pilots don't like change, so most PIT commuters will stick with LUS bases. Also, all of the FA's for now will as well.

I was supposed to fly a PIT turn out of PHL today. It got equipment swapped but I checked the standby list before that happened. Something like 30 nonrevs each way. Multiple pilots. [emoji15]

A couple times when I was based in PHL the CA and both flight attendants lived in PIT. Like others said, pick a LAA base, the commute will be much easier.

You DO NOT want to be commuting PIT to PHL, especially on Probation. One of the worst, if not THE worst commute in the system.

I was hired in Jan'17. PHL E190.

For June, I was #113 out of 144. I'll be on SC reserve with only one weekend off. Most junior LC reserve is 13 numbers ahead of me and the most junior line holder is 22 numbers ahead of me.

Looking at PBS awards for other bases... there are lineholders junior to me on the Airbus at LGA and UDC. I'd be LC reserve on the 737 in MIA and only 3 numbers away from being a lineholder.

AA is great, the E190 is a nice jet, and the crews are wonderful. I'm very happy and fortunate to be here. However, all the talk of fast movement on the E190 hasn't turned out to be true for me. The seat lock is 6 months from scheduled training completion and they can withhold you for up to 1yr after the effective date of the award. For me, that means they can withhold me until August of 2018, which is way longer than I care to be on the E190.

Just something for you guys to consider when you're bidding on your jet!

Good to know, sounds like the paradigm has shifted.

True, but if you look at the award report, 15 or so of those beneath that 113 seniority no. weren't awarded anything at all which you would have to assume means they are still in training? So its actually more like being 113 out of 129. That said the same thing happened to me as an FO on the 190 where buddies of mine a few months senior moved up quick and I was stuck on reserve SC/LC for 8 months or so. The churn at the bottom (FO 190) ebbs and flows. Still overall, if you want to move up and be guaranteed no red eyes, the 190 isn't a bad place to be in terms of schedule and pay, especially now with the lock only being 6 months or if you live in the Philly area.

The other hidden gem in the system if you can get it is UDC (DCA) which also has relatively few red eyes, only problem there is crashpads are either scarce or expensive.

good luck to everyone.

Wait. You were hired in January of THIS year? So, I assume you finished training in about mid to late March or so, which means you've been flying the line for, what, 1-1/2 months? And you're a little bummed you're on SC Reserve? I must be missing something, because people normally spend a year or even two on Reserve before they finally get a hard line. At least that's been the case on the other narrowbody jets, anyway. Do pilots really move up the list on the 190 THAT fast? Never knew that.

There is such a big difference in pay between the 190 and 320/737 on year 2 that about 90% of the FOs bid off within the first year. The company hold people, but they at least get the higher pay.

Had a guy in my crashpad (prior to FOS) I think he spent 2 months on RSV before getting a line. Of course that was prior to all of the training holds.

190 FOs being held for training has been common for the last 4 plus years. It's not a new thing by any means.

I'm not complaining. Very happy to be here.

I just wanted to point out that there is faster movement and shorter reserve times on other equipment.

Checking the 3XP's and cross checking that against guys new hire dates would give an estimate when the guys senior to you, that are being withheld, will move on.

Is most of the reserve flying on the 190 short call? I'll be commuting from DEN but would essentially have a free place to stay in PHL. With such a small fleet how much do reserves actually fly compared to other bases? Sounds like time to a line on the 190 is increasing but if I can't hold a commutable line in say LGA or MIA anyways then would PHL be a good place to be on reserve?


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Looks like a line holder on the E190 is about 6 months. It had been about 1-2 months of rsv 6-12 months ago.

Avg 190 FO rsv this month looks like it will be about 45 hrs. 20% will be above 60 hrs if the current totals are projected through the end of the month.

Rough WAG looks like PHL 320 FO's are flying about 10 hrs more on rsv this month.

The E190 is a good deal BUT the company can keep you in the bid status. You'd get the G2 pay while flying G1 trips. The downside is you're stuck on the E190 vs perhaps bidding a base that has an easier commute (CLT? LAX?).

Thanks Slice, I guess my concern is will I be sitting in a crashpad in phl (albeit a free one) on reserve flying little or holding a line in lga but not a commutable one. Lax would be a much easier commute but I've heard some horror stories about being on reserve and covering the satellite airports. Being a commuter I think it's all about finding the least painful situation.


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So if one lives local and adamant about being based at PHL right off the get go, I guess there aren't too many downsides to the E190 as a new hire?

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Just checked the lines you'd hold in LGA 320/737 or PHL 190. LGA is about 300 numbers more junior. You might hold a line immediately after training (junior company wide is 15,053. Junior line holder in LGA is 14,895. Early March new hire. Probably finished training in mid-late May. Line holder in June. That surprised me...until I looked at the trips. 0500 and 0630 departures out of EWR 2-3x per month. It's obvious those are the trips guys don't want to fly.

PHL E190 you'd better enjoy flying 3-5 legs per day. A lot of BOS-LGA-DCA or BOS-DCA flights. But it's one airport.

I spent my first year commuting from DEN to PHL on the 190, second PHL AB, third CLT.

The downside of PHL is they cut back to 1 or 2 a day in the off seasons. Fortunately there are a couple UAL/SWA & 1 F9 flight to mitigate that. But our last flight is at 1100, so before DOTC. I think the last flight home in the off season is 1830, so that sucks compared to other bases.

I was too nervous to sit at home on LCR on probation (but do so now with great results). That's one of the reasons I chose the 190, was to get a line quicker.

Wow, that's great info thanks. With those start times I imagine some are bypassing lines to stay on reserve. What is the junior long call in New York on 737 or AB?


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NYC is uber junior but more so on the Airbus. I would bid 30% in base there, and am 75% in CLT, NFW am I going to NYC!!!

LC is about 170 numbers more junior of the 320.

24 AB320 guys have LC before the most junior guy 737 held LC in July.

Is American still running E-190 classes for nh? What's the fleet plan for this jet, if anybody knows? Thanks!


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Yes, typically 6 per class or maybe 6 per month. You can actually find most of the class assignments on APC.

Fleet plan is to park them in 2019.

I was wishing for a training hold. AB pay with the E9 schedule. Then they sent us all right away. This was in fall 2014.

FWIW

From the 6/30 flight dept hotline, I cut out the MD80 stuff:

"This report from Captain Greg Kunasek on the MD80s and E190s:


Flying on the E190 remains steady with 12 pilots attending transition training each month at the Charlotte Training Center, and an average of 22 pilots per month in recurrent training. Utilization of the single E190 simulator is usually at 90 percent or more each month. We’re approaching a time where the engines on the fleet must be replaced, so the current plan is to begin retiring the E190s in January of 2019 with the drawdown complete by October of that year.

The E190 continues to be one of our most reliable aircraft, from serving our New York Shuttle operation, to flights in Texas, Illinois, Massachusetts, Florida, and many points in between, as well as weekend service to Bahamas and Grand Cayman."

I will believe the 190s are gone, when they are actually gone.

Just like I believe we are getting a new airframe when it actually shows up.


I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we get more 190s or replace them with a similar a/c.