PHL E190 skinny
04-06-2017, 08:18 AM
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PHL E190 skinny
What are the pro's/con's of the E190 out of PHL?
For someone who prefers PHL basing, would it be worth grabbing one as a new hire or would it be better to try to get AB LGA and then bid PHL later on?
I had read it is possible to get 2nd year Group 2 pay in the E190, but didn't quite understand that. Can anyone elaborate?
For someone who prefers PHL basing, would it be worth grabbing one as a new hire or would it be better to try to get AB LGA and then bid PHL later on?
I had read it is possible to get 2nd year Group 2 pay in the E190, but didn't quite understand that. Can anyone elaborate?
04-06-2017, 08:42 AM
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There are no real Pros and Cons other that he pay rate and the fact that there are only 19 E190's. The low number of aircraft makes for very little open time to use to trade for or to allow for scheduling flexibility.
The pay for Group II while flying the E190 arises from being able to bid off the airplane, and anyone can do that if just a few months, but not being able to be trained. While a person awaits training on a higher paying piece of equipment he gets paid the higher rate.
As an old US guy, I know many who loved that situation. If you were a senior block-holding F/O and were awarded captain then you got paid for a full block of time, rather than min guarantee. At US this was 85 vs. 72hrs. It was like being a senior captain on the equipment. Same pay and good schedule.
The pay for Group II while flying the E190 arises from being able to bid off the airplane, and anyone can do that if just a few months, but not being able to be trained. While a person awaits training on a higher paying piece of equipment he gets paid the higher rate.
As an old US guy, I know many who loved that situation. If you were a senior block-holding F/O and were awarded captain then you got paid for a full block of time, rather than min guarantee. At US this was 85 vs. 72hrs. It was like being a senior captain on the equipment. Same pay and good schedule.
04-06-2017, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
What are the pro's/con's of the E190 out of PHL?
For someone who prefers PHL basing, would it be worth grabbing one as a new hire or would it be better to try to get AB LGA and then bid PHL later on?
I had read it is possible to get 2nd year Group 2 pay in the E190, but didn't quite understand that. Can anyone elaborate?
For someone who prefers PHL basing, would it be worth grabbing one as a new hire or would it be better to try to get AB LGA and then bid PHL later on?
I had read it is possible to get 2nd year Group 2 pay in the E190, but didn't quite understand that. Can anyone elaborate?
If you want PHL absolutely take the 190. Now that there's only a 6 month seat lock for new hires you're assured of being able to bid a group 2 plane before your year is up. When there was a one year seat lock there was a chance you'd not hit the bids right and be on year 2 group 1 pay for a few months while your classmates on the 320/737 were making $30 an hour more than you.
04-06-2017, 12:37 PM
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Pros: Fast movement. Hold a line after a few months. First year pay is the same, so you'll make more than your classmates that took the A320/737. Easy airplane to fly, simple systems. You'll get more flights, so getting to know the plane and the company will happen faster. If you want to sit short call reserve and not fly, 190 FO probably sees the fewest sick calls. Nearly everyone is on probation and doesn't have a sick bank yet.
Cons: Limited number of cities it flies to. There is a lot of BOS/LGA/DCA shuttle flying but there about a dozen other cities as well. Fewer planes/fewer lines/less options, but then again, you'd probably be on reserve on the 320/737.
Cons: Limited number of cities it flies to. There is a lot of BOS/LGA/DCA shuttle flying but there about a dozen other cities as well. Fewer planes/fewer lines/less options, but then again, you'd probably be on reserve on the 320/737.
04-09-2017, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
What are the pro's/con's of the E190 out of PHL?
For someone who prefers PHL basing, would it be worth grabbing one as a new hire or would it be better to try to get AB LGA and then bid PHL later on?
I had read it is possible to get 2nd year Group 2 pay in the E190, but didn't quite understand that. Can anyone elaborate?
For someone who prefers PHL basing, would it be worth grabbing one as a new hire or would it be better to try to get AB LGA and then bid PHL later on?
I had read it is possible to get 2nd year Group 2 pay in the E190, but didn't quite understand that. Can anyone elaborate?
— The aircraft pays the same the first year as all other aircraft.
— The e190 is easy to learn so you can focus more on learning the flight operations manual and transitioning to a new airline.
— You will become senior very quickly as most first officers bid off the aircraft at the first opportunity.
Cons of the e190:
— You may be held on the e190 after you are awarded another aircraft. [/LIST]
04-09-2017, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing314
Pros of the e190:
— The aircraft pays the same the first year as all other aircraft.
— The e190 is easy to learn so you can focus more on learning the flight operations manual and transitioning to a new airline.
— You will become senior very quickly as most first officers bid off the aircraft at the first opportunity.
Cons of the e190:
— You may be held on the e190 after you are awarded another aircraft. [/LIST]
— The aircraft pays the same the first year as all other aircraft.
— The e190 is easy to learn so you can focus more on learning the flight operations manual and transitioning to a new airline.
— You will become senior very quickly as most first officers bid off the aircraft at the first opportunity.
Cons of the e190:
— You may be held on the e190 after you are awarded another aircraft. [/LIST]
04-10-2017, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Being held isn't a Con. It's a benefit. Making group 2 pay with a kick butt schedule.
For most. But for the guys who have a crazy 2/3 leg commute to PHL being held is definitely a con.
04-11-2017, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
What are the pro's/con's of the E190 out of PHL?
For someone who prefers PHL basing, would it be worth grabbing one as a new hire or would it be better to try to get AB LGA and then bid PHL later on?
I had read it is possible to get 2nd year Group 2 pay in the E190, but didn't quite understand that. Can anyone elaborate?
For someone who prefers PHL basing, would it be worth grabbing one as a new hire or would it be better to try to get AB LGA and then bid PHL later on?
I had read it is possible to get 2nd year Group 2 pay in the E190, but didn't quite understand that. Can anyone elaborate?
What are your concerns? With that info, we can give you better info. When is your class date?
I assume you are Air Force. One thing that was great about the 190 for me (also AF) was getting lots of reps in some of the toughest airports to operate out of (LGA, DCA, BOS). I learned a ton about airline ops. I really enjoyed the long Manhattan, BOS, and D.C. layovers (though under the new LAA rules, long layovers are pretty scarce now). I did a ton of sight seeing. You also will really appreciate the easy flying on the Airbus later on.
04-11-2017, 08:13 AM
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I'm new hire AF trying to decide. Everyone I talk to loves the AB, but the big question I have about the 190 (since the $ is the same, i.e. group 2) is how long I might be "stuck" before I could move to something else.
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