Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2351391)

One way to get ALPA would be for APA to turn these down lol.

Originally Posted by A321 (Post 2351577)

Info direct from APA President on PHL call this evening said that 'min calendar day' talks are finalizing. This is a good thing. Finally.



AND, he THANKED everyone for their support during the no float campaign. Read in-between the lines, it worked, and created leverage.



This wouldn't have happened without pressure from APA. Parker doesn't just do these things out of the goodness of his heart.

Originally Posted by Cheddar (Post 2351593)

Uhhhhhhhhh, wow.


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Originally Posted by A321 (Post 2351577)

Info direct from APA President on PHL call this evening said that 'min calendar day' talks are finalizing. This is a good thing.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2351610)

Hope it goes through for May, I have 8 red eyes! (PBS operator error...)

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2351610)

Hope it goes through for May, I have 8 red eyes! (PBS operator error...)

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2351627)

Good god. That sounds awful.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2351610)

Hope it goes through for May, I have 8 red eyes! (PBS operator error...)

Originally Posted by A321 (Post 2351577)

Info direct from APA President on PHL call this evening said that 'min calendar day' talks are finalizing. This is a good thing. Finally.

AND, he THANKED everyone for their support during the no float campaign. Read in-between the lines, it worked, and created leverage.

This wouldn't have happened without pressure from APA. Parker doesn't just do these things out of the goodness of his heart.

Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 2351800)

While I was surprised at the pay increase offer, I am not inclined to believe the influence was as great from the APA nor the "no float" campaign. But speaking to many in the industry, especially the training at Piedmont and others, the pilot shortage is becoming acute, even for American. The need to map pathways to pilot futures seem to be the focus here and American has to compete for pilots right along with Delta, United and SWA. So the issues of industry pay are now taking a forefront look by all the companies in the industry. I think the realities of supply and demand are more in what the company is leaning to and to a lesser extent, though still somewhat a form of feedback, is what the APA has to say.

I still believe the Company is bypassing the union and instigating reforms outside the contract but only with both APA and outside input as what they decide. Here is the Piedmont Airlines Cadet program and the drive for pilots is shaking out: Piedmont Airlines Pilot Careers.

But I would say what comes out of todays financial report MAY certainly reveal what is the impetus for the Company's pay increases for Pilots AND Flight Attendants, but not so much because of union negotiations. The Flight Attendants just lost an arbitration to the company on this very issue and now a change of heart? Market realities and supply and demand are more the driver and NOT the power and strength of the unions.

Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 2351800)

While I was surprised at the pay increase offer, I am not inclined to believe the influence was as great from the APA nor the "no float" campaign. But speaking to many in the industry, especially the training at Piedmont and others, the pilot shortage is becoming acute, even for American. The need to map pathways to pilot futures seem to be the focus here and American has to compete for pilots right along with Delta, United and SWA. So the issues of industry pay are now taking a forefront look by all the companies in the industry. I think the realities of supply and demand are more in what the company is leaning to and to a lesser extent, though still somewhat a form of feedback, is what the APA has to say.



I still believe the Company is bypassing the union and instigating reforms outside the contract but only with both APA and outside input as what they decide. Here is the Piedmont Airlines Cadet program and the drive for pilots is shaking out: Piedmont Airlines Pilot Careers.



But I would say what comes out of todays financial report MAY certainly reveal what is the impetus for the Company's pay increases for Pilots AND Flight Attendants, but not so much because of union negotiations. The Flight Attendants just lost an arbitration to the company on this very issue and now a change of heart? Market realities and supply and demand are more the driver and NOT the power and strength of the unions.

Originally Posted by Happyflyer (Post 2351891)

Yea, makes me think there feeling guiltily about something. Only time my siblings ever shared anything with me out of the kindness of their heart was after they had extorted something I had no knowledge of.
Either mgmt is preparing for their own looting announcement, or Scot Kirby really was the henchmen.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2351993)

ROUTE 66...
Do you carry a bag with ROUTE 66 on it?

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2351991)

Lol all this drivel after you were proven wrong yesterday. You have no clue.

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2352024)

Guilty about differing the A350 orders?;).......All this talk about pay not one word about WBs being pushed out.

Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2351627)

Good god. That sounds awful.

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2352140)

All a matter of perspective.

If red eyes were worth a 5 hour min calendar day, they would be ultra-senior.

Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2352193)

PHL town hall announcement that company and APA are close to an agreement on min calendar day as well as LTD fix. Take it for what it's worth..

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2352140)

All a matter of perspective.

If red eyes were worth a 5 hour min calendar day, they would be ultra-senior.

Originally Posted by DarinFred (Post 2352201)

I've got a 4 day next month that ends in a redeye. We'll see how it goes.

Originally Posted by DarinFred (Post 2352201)

I've got a 4 day next month that ends in a redeye. We'll see how it goes.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2352382)

They aren't bad, I like them for two reasons.

First, they usually pay at least 20:40, so a normal 4 day pay vs 2 day pay for a 3 day red eye. Second, you get up early on day 3, get to the hotel, walk around or work out, have lunch and you're tired enough from getting up early to get a good nap (6 hours for me on my last one).

Originally Posted by jacjetlag (Post 2351686)

Sect. 6...RLA
Full on negotiations for a new (amendable) contract.

Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2352244)

They will probably just embed them in 4 days. Doubtful they will be senior.