Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2505292)

Dude.

If you think these are QOL increases, your thought processes are very seriously ****ed up. This thing des absolutely nothing good for QOL.

Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2505271)

Disagree. A lot of fuss over stuff that’s barely going to change. This is the result of a lot of misinformation and fear spread (mostly) by the Clt and Phl reps.

The 5:15 ACD not being implemented is not at all a function of the monetary penalty, but rather the ramifications of what happens if they don’t: the operation will fall apart when APA pulls another September to remember. And they do NOT want to go down that road. For such a big QOL item to not be implemented will have severe consequences, and they know it. That is also a baseless fear.

To quote somebody from c&r who said it best:

“The LOS guys will be restored. Junior guys wont have to endure slash trips. Domestic guys will work fewer days. Scheduling practices will remain the same. But guys will continue to *****. Cause thats what they do......”

Effectively, We just gained huge QOL increases outside of S6. And no the sky is not falling.

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2505292)

Dude.

If you think these are QOL increases, your thought processes are very seriously ****ed up. This thing des absolutely nothing good for QOL.

Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2505308)

Is that so... let’s see, with 5:15 ACD we are going to be home more and yet earn more pay on trips that previously paid less. I’d call that a pretty big QOL gain... so does every other airline pilot that has it. Who’s ****ed Up here?

Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 2505294)

To be fair you’re very isolated on the RJ. RO happens enough on the baby bus to warrant being worried about it.



The real issue is wtf is a DFP after an RO and why aren’t all days off equal? That’s what needs to be fixed.

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2505292)

Dude.

If you think these are QOL increases, your thought processes are very seriously ****ed up. This thing des absolutely nothing good for QOL.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2505325)

I’ve been mainly against this deal and then back and forth a bit, but on balance, yes this will likely be an increase in QOL, by eliminating or at least paying a slash trip better. PHL and CLT reps started really reaching by claiming that ACD would be a bad thing. That’s where they lost credibility with me. I just don’t buy it. Then when they claimed the tax bonus would also be tied to LOS, that was a bridge too far for me. Those guys have some valid points but are crooked politicians at heart who will say anything to support their agenda (ends justify the means)...

And let’s not forget that yes LUS didn’t have RO, but...you were only pay protected for the last sequence of the month, so if any other sequence canceled, you got nothing. That was ridiculous.

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2505320)

I hope it works out that way.

My concerns are with R.O. and the other scheduling provisions. That stuff is actually far worse. If the trip goes to hell, so will your off days.

Plus, the company is VERY creative in the way they avoid paying for any kind of soft time. I submit for you-all nighters. With this contract, those were supposed to pay well. When's the last time you actually saw any?

the company will just figure out some way to turn these damned things into crap 4 or 5 days, and when RO kicks in, we will be at min days off. Yeah. Super QOL improvements.

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2505331)

I would MUCH rather fly 12 regular red eyes vs one of those God-awful 4 days which ends with a red eye. Those damned things are evil!

And will we actually get ACD? The penalty for non-implementation is far cheaper than the cost. And did the union get less than 30% float-so we won't have to wait a whole year (for it to not be implemented anyhow)