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Laker24 03-12-2018 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by whalesurfer (Post 2548829)
Their senior captains probably make less than your new hire-hire gate agents. Not putting anyone down, just making a comparison argument... ..and working for an airline, in ANY capacity, is a FANTASTIC job over there.. (think US in the 50s)..

Want to earn $300,000 tax free? Try flying a plane in China - Nov. 15, 2016

Floobs 03-12-2018 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by whalesurfer (Post 2548829)

Do you really think any joint venture with a Chinese carrier can be beneficial to a US based airline?

Yes I do. A JV will allow American to enter at least 2 more markets in central China that are hubs for China southern.

Saabs 03-12-2018 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Floobs (Post 2549036)
Yes I do. A JV will allow American to enter at least 2 more markets in central China that are hubs for China southern.

They are on record at a crew news saying they don’t envision flying to any other Chinese destinations. Someone asked as United flies to secondary markets like Chengdu (excuse the spelling).

I hope they are wrong of course.

whalesurfer 03-12-2018 12:56 PM

Sorry, those are expat jobs/pay rates, what you and I would be getting. Local pilots get a fraction of that. Pay is based on what the typical pilot would be getting in their home country. The large pay disparity is one reason for the resentment locals feel toward expats.

Either way, I sincerely hope you’re all correct and that this will be the first joint venture with a Chinese carrier that’s actually beneficial to pilots and flight attendants.

Floobs 03-12-2018 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 2549131)
They are on record at a crew news saying they don’t envision flying to any other Chinese destinations. Someone asked as United flies to secondary markets like Chengdu (excuse the spelling).

I hope they are wrong of course.

They did say that but I think that was in response to doing it without a JV partner.

If and when China southern joins thirdworld and gets a JV with AA, You will see us fly to their hubs from our hubs.

Cheddar 03-12-2018 05:39 PM

AA joint venture with Qantas
 

Originally Posted by Floobs (Post 2549272)
They did say that but I think that was in response to doing it without a JV partner.



If and when China southern joins thirdworld and gets a JV with AA, You will see us fly to their hubs from our hubs.



That’s correct. Doug said only more China flying with a JV partner to give domestic feed. If anything, it would increase our presence there, not hurt it. If we net one new flight on our metal from either JV, that’s one more than we would’ve had.

Qantas JV secures AKL, adds Brisbane and maybe Perth

China Southern makes our China flying more profitable and may add secondary cities in the future like Guangzhou

Floobs 03-12-2018 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by Cheddar (Post 2549397)
That’s correct. Doug said only more China flying with a JV partner to give domestic feed. If anything, it would increase our presence there, not hurt it. If we net one new flight on our metal from either JV, that’s one more than we would’ve had.

Qantas JV secures AKL, adds Brisbane and maybe Perth

China Southern makes our China flying more profitable and may add secondary cities in the future like Guangzhou

Exactly, so I don't understand the chicken little attitude by some that think this is bad. We want this we want more of this. Delta has three JV partners in Europe and they fly the most flights across the Atlantic. Same goes for United in Asia.

Cheddar 03-14-2018 04:37 AM

Well, we want JV partners, but we need SCOPE protections as well. We want the net gain in flying going to us, not our ‘new friends.’

Delta has a horrible history recently of losing WB routes to JV partners.


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Saabs 03-14-2018 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Cheddar (Post 2550230)
Well, we want JV partners, but we need SCOPE protections as well. We want the net gain in flying going to us, not our ‘new friends.’

Delta has a horrible history recently of losing WB routes to JV partners.


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Yeah every delta guy hates JV it seems.

mainlineAF 03-14-2018 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Cheddar (Post 2550230)
Well, we want JV partners, but we need SCOPE protections as well. We want the net gain in flying going to us, not our ‘new friends.’

Delta has a horrible history recently of losing WB routes to JV partners.


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It’s my understanding that delta may not fly to as many destinations as they did before their JVs but they have just as many international block hours.

Instead of multiple destinations they fly a ton of flights to CDG and AMS. Block hours are all matter, not number of destinations.


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