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Smoke Toliet 07-23-2018 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Covfefe (Post 2641024)
So anyone have intel, insight or thoughts on if the next awards are going to keep pace with this last one? Of course, I’m sure we all hope so... I’m wondering if we’re approaching the DL super junior NB captains and jr WB FOs (I think UAL is a few yrs to WB??)... Before the awards, they mentioned 229 new captains. If I look at things right, from the jr guy from last bid to the jr guy this bid, there are 592 numbers... so for 229 upgrades they went through 592 pilots!

I’m thinking things might back off a bit, but I sure hope not!


I don’t have intel just an opinion but I think most were surprised with this award (777DFW was a eye opener). Now that people see what’s out there for them they might life plan a bit and take a upgrade or try G4 FO. So I’d guess a little bit of a pull back on it (CA or G4 FO) going really junior. But I think that will be temporary. Hopefully we keep it going.

EMBFlyer 07-23-2018 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Smoke Toliet (Post 2641065)
I don’t have intel just an opinion but I think most were surprised with this award (777DFW was a eye opener). Now that people see what’s out there for them they might life plan a bit and take a upgrade or try G4 FO. So I’d guess a little bit of a pull back on it (CA or G4 FO) going really junior. But I think that will be temporary. Hopefully we keep it going.

Yep! Happens every bid. Something goes crazy junior and then it doesn't happen again for a while. I'm still kicking myself for not keeping my DFW777 bid in. I would have held it (or at least an entitlement to it, since I'm currently locked on the 737).

QuagmireGiggity 07-24-2018 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by Covfefe (Post 2641024)
So anyone have intel, insight or thoughts on if the next awards are going to keep pace with this last one? Of course, I’m sure we all hope so... I’m wondering if we’re approaching the DL super junior NB captains and jr WB FOs (I think UAL is a few yrs to WB??)... Before the awards, they mentioned 229 new captains. If I look at things right, from the jr guy from last bid to the jr guy this bid, there are 592 numbers... so for 229 upgrades they went through 592 pilots!

I’m thinking things might back off a bit, but I sure hope not!

Doubt it. .there's a training bump in winter months. This is to get ready for the next summer.

mainlineAF 07-24-2018 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 2641381)
Doubt it. .there's a training bump in winter months. This is to get ready for the next summer.



Yea but this isn’t for training in winter. This is for September, October and November training.

My understanding is that unless you got withheld they will have you trained by the effective date of the bid. Which is December 1 on this bid.

Buzzlightyear 07-25-2018 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2641430)
Yea but this isn’t for training in winter. This is for September, October and November training.

My understanding is that unless you got withheld they will have you trained by the effective date of the bid. Which is December 1 on this bid.

These are the training start months. Training for a long course takes around six weeks depending on IOE scheduling. So a mid to late October class date will affect Thanksgiving and mid November start will affect Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years.

Sliceback 07-25-2018 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2641430)
Yea but this isn’t for training in winter. This is for September, October and November training.

My understanding is that unless you got withheld they will have you trained by the effective date of the bid. Which is December 1 on this bid.

You have to finish training within 30 days of the award. So you can start in late November for a December award. Sec 17.R.????

meyers9163 07-26-2018 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 2642426)
You have to finish training within 30 days of the award. So you can start in late November for a December award. Sec 17.R.????

No......

I.e. 190 FOs held for a year.

viper548 07-26-2018 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 2642598)
No......

I.e. 190 FOs held for a year.

If they are not going to send you to training you are given a withhold award. On a subsequent award you will be given a released award.

meyers9163 07-26-2018 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by viper548 (Post 2642599)
If they are not going to send you to training you are given a withhold award. On a subsequent award you will be given a released award.

Kind of. But with the new way the final award has it all spelled out when your training date will be if given a preference award. However the above didn’t spell out withholds, preference, displacement etc. It made it sound like it was all lumped together.

Thedude86 08-11-2018 11:49 AM

Would anybody have a rough idea of how many pilots are staffed per category? As in the number of pilots in group 2, 3, and 4? Do they staff them evenly? I would assume group 4 would need more pilots, but since that aircraft typically will just fly once or twice a day I’m guessing maybe it evens out.


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