You and I are in agreement, so I’m not sure why you asked me the last question...:confused:

Inartfully worded. That part was really directed at the people who seem somehow offended or threatened by the C series and E2s.

Sorry.:)

Same thing for DFW 767... yay, maybe I’ll break into the high 80% mark for a month before I’m displaced [emoji854]


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We should get all the mainline flying we can... the rates will match DAL/JB/UAL in the next contract.


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When is the next contract negotiation?

Early openers in January


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Is AA scope-limited in its replacement quantity of the 190 fleet if they choose to replace with E2's or 220's, or are they able to expand the 190 fleet size at their discretion?

AFAIK Dougie can buy as many Group I planes as his heart desires.

They don't really want to though. An A319 seats 128, not that much more than the E2 and 220 and shares a whole bunch of commonality with our current fleet.

Back in March (or May? I can’t remember) I happened to be on the jump with an AA management pilot who told me that AAG was quietly looking at the E2. Who knows if anything will come of that... I think many would love to see a large Group 1 aircraft order from American and a reduction in lift from the Eagle regionals. Hopefully Group 1 pay can come up.

Well I was with the fleet manager three weeks ago, no plans in the works and still calling a 2020 park date IIRC.

They will look at anything, it's what they do to justify their jobs, but Isom who pretty much runs the airline has repeatedly said he wants to simplify the fleet. He's been pretty unwavering.

That may be the case, but there is a big niche between the 76 seat RJs and the 128 seat A319. I think market forces, growth, and the upcoming pilot shortage will force an upsize for the 76 seat routes, that are not big enough to need 128 seats.

Rumor i’ve been hearing is 190 going to dc and will be shuttle flying only. But, that would be something beneficial for me personally so you can bet w a scientific certitude it will NVR happen. Delta and Jet Blue match our shuttle flying w 175s and 190. would a 319 really make sense in these 40-60 min hops every hourish? Where are JBs 190s going? Has that been made public?

There’s not very many used ‘good’ 319’s out there, and pre A220 Airbus priced the 319Neo so that you might as well get a 321 for just a bit more with 60-70 more seats leading to almost no sales. With the A220 acquisition, the 319Neo is effectively dead, and our dreams of the 320 series economies of scale are limited to our existing 320 fleet and new 321Neo’s.

We originally had 319 options but converted them to 321’s (this from several CKA) right after the merger. Three years later someone said ‘s)(t’ we need more 319’s to cover the 80/190 flying and Airbus gave them an offer we couldn’t stomach.

Once again this management team‘s attempts be so cost effective end’s up pigeon holing us. It’s truly frightening how this company has such little forward vision...


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CASM on the 319s is pretty high too..

Good point. Now that Airbus has them, the A220-100 and 300 (and E2s) have a economical niche between 76 seats and 150/160 seats (A320/B737).

Other than what has already been delivered, I think there will be few, if any, new orders for A319s.

That is a big enough window to drive a Mac truck through (or fly a plane through).

I would been willing to bet it will happen at some point in the next few years, no matter what is said to the contrary.