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TransWorld 10-07-2018 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2687366)
Well I was with the fleet manager three weeks ago, no plans in the works and still calling a 2020 park date IIRC.

They will look at anything, it's what they do to justify their jobs, but Isom who pretty much runs the airline has repeatedly said he wants to simplify the fleet. He's been pretty unwavering.

That may be the case, but there is a big niche between the 76 seat RJs and the 128 seat A319. I think market forces, growth, and the upcoming pilot shortage will force an upsize for the 76 seat routes, that are not big enough to need 128 seats.

Battlinbear21 10-07-2018 06:47 AM

Rumor i’ve been hearing is 190 going to dc and will be shuttle flying only. But, that would be something beneficial for me personally so you can bet w a scientific certitude it will NVR happen. Delta and Jet Blue match our shuttle flying w 175s and 190. would a 319 really make sense in these 40-60 min hops every hourish? Where are JBs 190s going? Has that been made public?

Cheddar 10-07-2018 11:24 AM

There’s not very many used ‘good’ 319’s out there, and pre A220 Airbus priced the 319Neo so that you might as well get a 321 for just a bit more with 60-70 more seats leading to almost no sales. With the A220 acquisition, the 319Neo is effectively dead, and our dreams of the 320 series economies of scale are limited to our existing 320 fleet and new 321Neo’s.

We originally had 319 options but converted them to 321’s (this from several CKA) right after the merger. Three years later someone said ‘s)(t’ we need more 319’s to cover the 80/190 flying and Airbus gave them an offer we couldn’t stomach.

Once again this management team‘s attempts be so cost effective end’s up pigeon holing us. It’s truly frightening how this company has such little forward vision...


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chrisreedrules 10-07-2018 01:50 PM

CASM on the 319s is pretty high too..

TransWorld 10-07-2018 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2687680)
CASM on the 319s is pretty high too..

Good point. Now that Airbus has them, the A220-100 and 300 (and E2s) have a economical niche between 76 seats and 150/160 seats (A320/B737).

Other than what has already been delivered, I think there will be few, if any, new orders for A319s.

That is a big enough window to drive a Mac truck through (or fly a plane through).

I would been willing to bet it will happen at some point in the next few years, no matter what is said to the contrary.


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