Envoy outside of the flow?

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10-07-2018 | 07:48 AM

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No, they're not. I've been at PSA for 4 years. I know of three pilots who were hired at AA outside of the flow. One was a chief pilot, one was a well-connected female, and the other (most recent) was PSA's Director of Operations.

It sounds like you might be simply trying to recruit pilots for one of the AA regionals.

Oh, look at that! Looks like I was right!

Go check out the AA threads where they talk about NH class makeups. There are Non flow WO pilots in classes a good bit... the frequency has been increasing.

Dude wants to go to AA, and if I remember correctly, eff’d away the initial video interview somehow while deployed and asked a non standard question the forum folks don’t have an answer to... if not the direct source, where would you recommend he find answers to his specific question? Please enlighten everyone.

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10-07-2018 | 09:23 AM

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You only know of three cause most guys dont advertise being hired outside flow. My class alone had 3 PSA, 2 Piedmont and 4 Envoy hired off street. No chief pilots just normal peeps, a couple check airmen.

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10-07-2018 | 09:55 AM

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Dude wants to go to AA, and if I remember correctly, eff’d away the initial video interview somehow while deployed and asked a non standard question the forum folks don’t have an answer to... if not the direct source, where would you recommend he find answers to his specific question? Please enlighten everyone.

I'm not trying to answer his question. I'm simply responding to YOUR answer.

I'm on the ground! I'm in the crew rooms. I'm on our social media. I walk around and talk to other pilots in the terminals during our frequent 3 1/2 hour sits. I don't see, (or hear of), AA hiring from their wholy-owned regionals, outside of the flow,..... "often".

But why listen to a guy who's actually AT one of the wholy-owned regionals,..... when the o.p. can listen to a recruiter?

10-07-2018 | 10:57 AM

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I was just curious how many guys are getting the call from Envoy, PSA, or Piedmont outside of the flow, if any.

I could be wrong, but I think you guys missed the real question from the thread starter? Maybe he’s a helo guy looking for a “rotor flow program” to a WO? I know Envoy has one; not sure about the others?

10-07-2018 | 11:40 AM

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I was hired OTS from Envoy this Summer. My Class had a total of 4 OTS Envoy. My friend and I were both line check airman with purely civilian backgrounds, I had a total of 7 years at Envoy and she had 5.The other two OTS were former military, 1 FO who had 8 months with Envoy, and the other was a CA who had about 5 years.

10-07-2018 | 07:11 PM

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So I should wait 10 years to be hired off the street instead of flowing in 5.5 years?

There is a reason some folks are waiting for the flow, it’s a much shorter wait for most that were hired lately

No, I’m saying that any pilot should be doing all that so that they don’t have to depend on the flow. And for those who are not at a WO, that’s how you get to a legacy carrier.

10-08-2018 | 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by riel39

Once upon a time I was a rotor guy, however I got lucky and got the Army’s fixed wing course several years ago. Started at Envoy a few months ago. Now just wondering the chances of getting hired outside of the flow now that I’m here. 8-9 years is a long time to wait.

10-08-2018 | 01:59 PM

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In 2017 there were 60 total civilian OTS, all regionals, etc. So it was pretty rare.

Now, with significantly more hiring in 2018, civilian OTS, and specifically WOs are no longer a rarity.

Those additional hires have to come from someplace, don’t they?

01-20-2019 | 07:30 AM

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Here's the breakdown of 2018 hiring at AA:

-939 total new hires.

*45% selection, 55% flow.

So....
-513 regional flows
*335 from Envoy, 114 from PSA, 64 from Piedmont

-426 selected
*230 strictly military
*100 military and civilian
*96 strictly civilian trained

Here's the number you all will really be interested in:

*53 WO pilots selected outside of the flow.

5051 WO pilots, 52 pilots hired outside the flow = 1.03% of WO pilots that get the call

01-20-2019 | 08:12 AM

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Here's the number you all will really be interested in:

*53 WO pilots selected outside of the flow.

5051 WO pilots, 52 pilots hired outside the flow = 1.03% of WO pilots that get the call

This statistic would only be significant in the context of how many of those 5051 WO pilots actually have applications on file with AA HR. The number is shockingly low. When you look at that relative percentile, the chance of a WO pilot who has a current and competitive application on file has an even better chance of being called for an interview than a similarly qualified non-WO civilian regional pilot. I don't know why more PSA/PDT/Envoy pilots do not apply but the fact of the matter is, an overwhelming majority of them are not even trying.

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