Rumor concerning former negotiating comm.
12-09-2018, 05:32 AM
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And we're stuck at $500,000+.
Interesting that the DL poster thought their n/b guys were averaging $280-320K and w/b guys were averaging $340-370K. He's saying w/b guys are averaging 15-21% more than the n/b guys. G3 pay is 5% more and G4 pay is 23% more. Compared to us the G2 pay range seems slightly low to average high for G3 guys, and low for G4 CA's.
If that's 'all in', including profit sharing, it's much lower than guys are saying it is.
Interesting that the DL poster thought their n/b guys were averaging $280-320K and w/b guys were averaging $340-370K. He's saying w/b guys are averaging 15-21% more than the n/b guys. G3 pay is 5% more and G4 pay is 23% more. Compared to us the G2 pay range seems slightly low to average high for G3 guys, and low for G4 CA's.
If that's 'all in', including profit sharing, it's much lower than guys are saying it is.
12-09-2018, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I would need to see a W2 to come anywhere close to buying this crap.
The closest I have ever heard though a reliable source was an MD-11 guy who played the green slip game, flew his balls off (pre- 911) and cleared about 1/2 million.
Even accounting for changes with profit sharing and pay rates and whatever, I still don't see how $1 million could happen. I don't even see 750K.
People can say whatever they want, but I'm not buying anywhere near that number. It's just fake news.
The closest I have ever heard though a reliable source was an MD-11 guy who played the green slip game, flew his balls off (pre- 911) and cleared about 1/2 million.
Even accounting for changes with profit sharing and pay rates and whatever, I still don't see how $1 million could happen. I don't even see 750K.
People can say whatever they want, but I'm not buying anywhere near that number. It's just fake news.
2018 DL A350 Captain hourly rate = $340.24
In order to clear $1,000,000, the A350 Captain would have to average 245 hours a month of pay, every month, for 12 months.
Sustainable for a few months where a full month of flying (85 hour ALV) was bought off for training and then replaced 1:1 with a greenslip rotation, but not each and every month.
12-09-2018, 07:26 AM
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[QUOTE=FL370esq;2721970]Just doing the basic math...
2018 DL A350 Captain hourly rate = $340.24
In order to clear $1,000,000, the A350 Captain would have to average 245 hours a month of pay, every month, for 12 months.
The above would total $1,160,000, not 1,000,000. You need to add 16% (DC) to final figure. And then add profit sharing on top of that. 200 hours would be closer and if you factor in profit sharing, it would be less then 200 hours needed to hit a million.
Sustainable for a few months where a full month of flying (85 hour ALV) was bought off for training and then replaced 1:1 with a greenslip rotation, but not each and every month.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. So instead of being paid 340.24 an hour, it's 340.24 x 3 x 1.16. So if the capt who got bought off a trip, greenslips over it and pick up a trip for 26.5 hours. Total compensation is $31,376 for the one trip.
Yes, guys went over 100k in one month. Once staffing is caught up that won't be happening often. We also have guys on bypass pay for 777 and 350 who are senior NB and racking up lots of pay too. Flew with one guy who has already retired for the year on 350 bypass pay (he was 320) and was over 800k for the year a month ago. Yes, he's a money grabbing guy and now retired.
2018 DL A350 Captain hourly rate = $340.24
In order to clear $1,000,000, the A350 Captain would have to average 245 hours a month of pay, every month, for 12 months.
The above would total $1,160,000, not 1,000,000. You need to add 16% (DC) to final figure. And then add profit sharing on top of that. 200 hours would be closer and if you factor in profit sharing, it would be less then 200 hours needed to hit a million.
Sustainable for a few months where a full month of flying (85 hour ALV) was bought off for training and then replaced 1:1 with a greenslip rotation, but not each and every month.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. So instead of being paid 340.24 an hour, it's 340.24 x 3 x 1.16. So if the capt who got bought off a trip, greenslips over it and pick up a trip for 26.5 hours. Total compensation is $31,376 for the one trip.
Yes, guys went over 100k in one month. Once staffing is caught up that won't be happening often. We also have guys on bypass pay for 777 and 350 who are senior NB and racking up lots of pay too. Flew with one guy who has already retired for the year on 350 bypass pay (he was 320) and was over 800k for the year a month ago. Yes, he's a money grabbing guy and now retired.
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12-09-2018, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Just doing the basic math...
2018 DL A350 Captain hourly rate = $340.24
In order to clear $1,000,000, the A350 Captain would have to average 245 hours a month of pay, every month, for 12 months.
Sustainable for a few months where a full month of flying (85 hour ALV) was bought off for training and then replaced 1:1 with a greenslip rotation, but not each and every month.
2018 DL A350 Captain hourly rate = $340.24
In order to clear $1,000,000, the A350 Captain would have to average 245 hours a month of pay, every month, for 12 months.
Sustainable for a few months where a full month of flying (85 hour ALV) was bought off for training and then replaced 1:1 with a greenslip rotation, but not each and every month.
Good work.
Numbers are not fake news..... Unless you happen to be some idiot millennial who can't multiply or divide a damned thing in his head because-common core.
To those folks, these crazy numbers make sense-just as a 22 trillion dollar deficit would, because numbers are for nerds.
12-09-2018, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
And we're stuck at $500,000+.
Interesting that the DL poster thought their n/b guys were averaging $280-320K and w/b guys were averaging $340-370K. He's saying w/b guys are averaging 15-21% more than the n/b guys. G3 pay is 5% more and G4 pay is 23% more. Compared to us the G2 pay range seems slightly low to average high for G3 guys, and low for G4 CA's.
If that's 'all in', including profit sharing, it's much lower than guys are saying it is.
Interesting that the DL poster thought their n/b guys were averaging $280-320K and w/b guys were averaging $340-370K. He's saying w/b guys are averaging 15-21% more than the n/b guys. G3 pay is 5% more and G4 pay is 23% more. Compared to us the G2 pay range seems slightly low to average high for G3 guys, and low for G4 CA's.
If that's 'all in', including profit sharing, it's much lower than guys are saying it is.
12-09-2018, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Good work.
Numbers are not fake news..... Unless you happen to be some idiot millennial who can't multiply or divide a damned thing in his head because-common core.
To those folks, these crazy numbers make sense-just as a 22 trillion dollar deficit would, because numbers are for nerds.
Numbers are not fake news..... Unless you happen to be some idiot millennial who can't multiply or divide a damned thing in his head because-common core.
To those folks, these crazy numbers make sense-just as a 22 trillion dollar deficit would, because numbers are for nerds.
Huh???
12-09-2018, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
For what its worth, I'm in my 4th year with DL. A-320 series Capt and I will make gross 270K this year (just looked at my 12 month lookback). If you include our 401K number (16%) add 43K. So total compensation will be $313K. Profit sharing is a moving target, but 15% seems fairly standard lately so add another $47K. That totals $360K total out the door compensation before taxes. Not sure if this helps you guys with your negotiations etc. but what you guys do, helps us as well. I certainly didn't overfly anything, but seems like through a couple of oddish (reroute pay) months I averaged somewhere between 76 and 80 hours a month for the year. Hope this helps you guys. Cheers.
I too am DL and know these guys hitting big numbers, granted it's not the norm. But I know of many 320 captains batten into 400k plus and the crazy numbers on the 350 aren't the norm but it happened(ing). In the meantime have some guy chiming in that it's fake news. Umm ok.... I'll have to tell that to some guys who bought some nice toys that the cash they used wasn't real. Anyways, hope AA guys and gals knock their next contract out of the park and the guy claiming "fake news" is not on the negotiation committee for AA. Actually his response is awkwardly bizarre or maybe I missed the gist of his context.
12-09-2018, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
For what its worth, I'm in my 4th year with DL. A-320 series Capt and I will make gross 270K this year (just looked at my 12 month lookback). If you include our 401K number (16%) add 43K. So total compensation will be $313K. Profit sharing is a moving target, but 15% seems fairly standard lately so add another $47K. That totals $360K total out the door compensation before taxes. Not sure if this helps you guys with your negotiations etc. but what you guys do, helps us as well. I certainly didn't overfly anything, but seems like through a couple of oddish (reroute pay) months I averaged somewhere between 76 and 80 hours a month for the year. Hope this helps you guys. Cheers.
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