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aa73 01-19-2019 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by nimslow (Post 2745508)
I started in DCA on the 80, great base, small bid status, we only flew 30ish hours a month back then. Great deal living there, not so sweet for commuters.

Being a junior ca on the 73 is starting to feel like the land of the misfit toys. Movement has slowed to a trickle the last few bids, while the bus has had big awards going junior.

18 months in, and still commuting to reserve, I cant hold a line anywhere (except for the occasional hybrid with vacation or training) while I'd be in solid line holding territory on the bus in LGA. The last bid would have had me going home if I were on the bus, still just out of reach on the 73.

Where you based? Did you take a look at DCA? exactly the opposite... massive movement on the 737 and very little on the Bus. I was 4 from the bottom all last year.. now suddenly by June I’m gonna have like 50 below me. Bottom DCA CA award went down to almost 11000...

Still enjoying a gentleman’s schedule flying domestic NB out of here... hoping that stays the same! I feel for my NB bros in other bases that are getting hammered.

PRS Guitars 01-19-2019 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto (Post 2745168)
Run the numbers...
90hrs G4 FO ≈ 73hrs G2 CA.

It'll come down to your preference for line vs res, and type of flying.

Yeah, but I was trying to say (and didn’t do a good job) that the comparison of 90hr G4 FO to 73 hrs g2 CA is invalid at my seniority. The better comparison is 76 hrs to 76 hrs. Because the bid statuses I compare show that I’d be reserve no matter what.

RhinoBallAuto 01-19-2019 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2746037)
Yeah, but I was trying to say (and didn’t do a good job) that the comparison of 90hr G4 FO to 73 hrs g2 CA is invalid at my seniority. The better comparison is 76 hrs to 76 hrs. Because the bid statuses I compare show that I’d be reserve no matter what.

Fair point, for sure

nimslow 01-19-2019 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2745977)
Where you based? Did you take a look at DCA? exactly the opposite... massive movement on the 737 and very little on the Bus. I was 4 from the bottom all last year.. now suddenly by June I’m gonna have like 50 below me. Bottom DCA CA award went down to almost 11000...

Still enjoying a gentleman’s schedule flying domestic NB out of here... hoping that stays the same! I feel for my NB bros in other bases that are getting hammered.

I know DCA was the 73 winner this bid, and it of course changes every bid. Overall, using my tired commuting brain, I see 140 737 captain awards for June, and 231 A320 captain awards. I don't have it anymore, but the last one also had more bus than 73.

I would think the next two years will be pretty lean for the 73, since the majority of new aircraft deliveries will be Airbus.

I'm in Miami for a couple more months, then back to NYC. My relative seniority took a dive when we combined the divisions, and I'm still not back to where I was in the international division when I first got here.

I should get an entitlement to airbus ca on this bid, that I can exercise the next bid. But I'm fully expecting a 12 month withhold, since thats what everyone I know who has bid from the 73 to the bus recently has gotten.

swaayze 01-20-2019 07:08 AM

I think this is delivery-driven.

For most of the last year or so the Bus was pretty stagnant for my status while 73 continued to add folks and my relative seniority would have been better on that. Now we’re staffing for resumption of Bus deliveries and adding lots of FOs to my status.

I think we continue to get 73s as well this year (?) so hang in there. Unless you really want to come to the Bus I think you’ll see your desired 73 job soon nimslow.

nimslow 01-21-2019 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by swaayze (Post 2746560)
I think this is delivery-driven.

For most of the last year or so the Bus was pretty stagnant for my status while 73 continued to add folks and my relative seniority would have been better on that. Now we’re staffing for resumption of Bus deliveries and adding lots of FOs to my status.

I think we continue to get 73s as well this year (?) so hang in there. Unless you really want to come to the Bus I think you’ll see your desired 73 job soon nimslow.

I remain optimistic. However, DFW is my end game, and the September bid should bring the final MD80 displacements, so my money is on Sometime in 2020.

N10DJ 01-21-2019 01:37 PM

Anyone think upgrade time is going to keep trending down? What are the chances that come a year or so from now it’s down to 2 or 3 years from new hire to G2 left seat. I find the logistics of all this quite interesting. All I want is some movement in Charlotte lol.

viper548 01-21-2019 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by N10DJ (Post 2747389)
Anyone think upgrade time is going to keep trending down? What are the chances that come a year or so from now it’s down to 2 or 3 years from new hire to G2 left seat. I find the logistics of all this quite interesting. All I want is some movement in Charlotte lol.

It's been trending more and more junior the last few years, especially since the single seniority list. I think it will go more junior over the next year. As people get fed up with PBS, our work rules (or lack of), coverage days, January vacations, red/redder, etc. they will want to get at least a little seniority before upgrading. As more people learn how to use IMAX to their advantage, you may see more people wanting to be senior in the right seat.

biigD 01-21-2019 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by viper548 (Post 2747400)
As more people learn how to use IMAX to their advantage, you may see more people wanting to be senior in the right seat.

I keep hearing this and am curious - other than getting the time off, how does this work?

Andrew_VT 01-21-2019 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 2747428)
I keep hearing this and am curious - other than getting the time off, how does this work?

Step 1: Have no life.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.

(Seriously... you have to be totally flexible schedule-wise the majority of the time)


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