APA Boeing phone call
 

Saw the media got a hold of the phone conference between Boeing and the APA reps. Boeing gave the same party line of "we try not to overload the crews with information that's unnecessary so they actually know the information we believe is important"


My viewpoint is that if its gonna try to kill me I wanna know about it. This quote from Apollo 13 best describe the viewpoint that most pilots feel about the situation with regards to Boeing "I want you guys to find every engineer who designed every switch, every circuit, every transistor, and every lightbulb that's up there"


What are your thoughts on it? Do you feel the training was adequate or would you have rather had a more in depth training on the aircraft and its systems?

Well, what are your thoughts about the large number of culpability-seeking first posts from mysterious individuals that appear immediately after an accident? :rolleyes:

My thoughts on it are that flight crews and airlines should have been told by the manufacturer that the system is on the aircraft and given all available information on MCAS and how to disable it if needed. Even if this lead to what Boeing referred to as information overload for crews or what Boeings worst fear was (a new type rating for the aircraft), at least its better than having 2 airframes in the ground and the rest of the fleet grounded worldwide.

What equipment are you on?








AT YOUR NEWS DESK/LAW FIRM!!!!!!!!!!

Actually neither, just dumbfounded why Boeing keeps throwing out the same company line about "overloading" flight crews with knowledge.

I hate to tell you but the UAL ALPA rep disagrees/-ed with you. He stated that an automatic system does not need to be explained or taught to pilots because... (drum roll).. it's automatic.

Especially if it would further stretch the plausibility of the common type rating :rolleyes:

Funny how pilots only want the minimum information needed to pass ground school (I can’t control it, why do I need to know what it is or how it works) but when the SHTF, suddenly Boeing and AA left them hanging. Bottom line, info about the system should have been in the manual and covered in a couple of home study slides. Boeing screwed the pooch keeping it mum and they’re gonna pay a huge price for it.

Agreed with above, Boeing will settle and pay out $$$$$$ but they are already insured just like airlines are. Contrary to what many think, the MAX will do just fine. The 737 didn’t end when UA went down at COS and US went down at PIT. After those 2 fatal crashes, they addressed the problem and pilots were appropriately trained. No crash since then due to rudder hardover. Once this software fix is done and pilots trained appropriately, I dont see another MCAS related crash. It will only run once and be limited in its travel amount. MCAS will be override-able with a full nose up input. Problem will be solved. Not to mention being hooked up to both sensors and it’ll only run when both AOA sense a high alpha, so MCAS even operating is going to be a rare event when one sensor fails.

Pretty sure that is talking about the minutia detail of something like “how an air molecule travels through the ACM” kinda thing. If there is a new flight control “law” like thing that pushes the nose down 5 degrees repeatedly, then yeah pilots should be told about it!